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CuriousG
Half-elven
Dec 16 2012, 6:29pm
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Curses can be your best friend
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I think the Hurin curse worked well for Morgoth in a geopolitical sense. 1. Turin's pride led him to build the bridge over the river that betrayed Nargothrond's location and allowed it to be invaded by Glaurung. 2. Hurin's lament to Turgon revealed its general location to Morgoth. 3. Hurin's delivery of the Nauglamir to Thingol gave the latter the idea of having Dwarves set the Silmaril in the middle of it, which led to their fight with Thingol and a chain reaction of events which destroyed Doriath and made enemies between Elves and Dwarves. So three hidden kingdoms were destroyed as consequences of the curse. Nice work, actually. To give the devil his due, Morgoth learned from his mistakes in battle and invented the dragons when it became clear that orcs alone couldn't defeat the Noldor. Also, he was effective in exploiting the divisions of his enemies, and you point out that he had no internal dissent himself. (Though it was partly from fear of his own followers that he went out to fight Fingolfin: "he took not the challenge willingly...but he could not now deny the challenge before the face of his captains.") To go back to the original post of evil marring itself, I came across this tidbit while rummaging through the Silmarillion. The Noldor come to Beleriand just as the Valar create the Sun. They fight with Morgoth, then Maedhros is taken hostage and attached to a rock, and Morgoth creates a new darkness to blot out the Sun (Sauron was such a copycat). Fingon goes to rescue his cousin "and aided by the very darkness that Morgoth had made he came unseen into the fastness of his foes."
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Oft evil will shall evil mar - a recurring theme?
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noWizardme
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Dec 5 2012, 5:28pm
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A few more examples...
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noWizardme
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Dec 5 2012, 6:16pm
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Heartily agree I do
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CuriousG
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Dec 5 2012, 7:45pm
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And more
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CuriousG
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Dec 6 2012, 6:03pm
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The one ring itself
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noWizardme
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Dec 6 2012, 6:23pm
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Yes, and by no means limited to Tolkien.
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Elizabeth
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Dec 6 2012, 6:24pm
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The formula for James Bond and other villains
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CuriousG
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Dec 6 2012, 8:25pm
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Interesting which side has an "evil overlord " plan?
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noWizardme
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Dec 6 2012, 10:34pm
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Sauron as Evil Overlord
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Elizabeth
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Dec 7 2012, 3:45am
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Ah, I should have said "no Evil Overlord mistakes except the ones I didn't think of"...
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 10:54am
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Plotholes and eagles
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CuriousG
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Dec 7 2012, 4:26pm
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Nazgul combat air patrol
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 5:09pm
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A new eagle plot hole filler
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 5:35pm
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It's an inexhaustable discussion topic.
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Elizabeth
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Dec 7 2012, 7:07pm
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I'm glad they didn't, but
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CuriousG
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Dec 7 2012, 7:27pm
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I agree with this
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Ardamírë
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Dec 7 2012, 8:54pm
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Isn't there some
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Plurmo
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Dec 8 2012, 3:36am
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In all honesty
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Ardamírë
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Dec 8 2012, 4:01pm
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Heroes and underdogs
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CuriousG
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Dec 7 2012, 4:33pm
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The Nazgul and Evil Overlord rule 80
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 6:36pm
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I think Sauron was clever about the One Ring
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CuriousG
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Dec 7 2012, 4:05pm
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An odd Return to Owner feature
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 4:27pm
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To say nothing of an idea likely close to Tolkien's heart:
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SirDennisC
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Dec 7 2012, 2:55pm
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interesting topic
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elostirion74
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Dec 10 2012, 8:32pm
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A bit of both
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noWizardme
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Dec 10 2012, 9:14pm
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Credibility and the One Ring
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CuriousG
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Dec 11 2012, 4:58pm
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That's worth 2 new threads! :)
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noWizardme
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Dec 16 2012, 7:09pm
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Gandalf answered #1
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CuriousG
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Dec 16 2012, 8:52pm
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given the slightest encouragement...
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noWizardme
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Dec 18 2012, 12:07pm
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The greatest example of this has yet to be said!!!!!!!!!!
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Beren0nehanded
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Dec 11 2012, 1:26pm
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Morgoth the exception?
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Felagund
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Dec 16 2012, 5:25pm
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Curses can be your best friend
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CuriousG
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Dec 16 2012, 6:29pm
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link to eucatastrophy
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noWizardme
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Dec 18 2012, 3:22pm
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Second thoughts!
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noWizardme
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Dec 18 2012, 7:02pm
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Post then self-disagree? All too often. :) //
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CuriousG
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Dec 18 2012, 7:45pm
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"We knows what we thinks, precious." "No, no we doesn't think that at all!"
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noWizardme
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Dec 18 2012, 9:53pm
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