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Felagund
Rohan
Dec 16 2012, 5:25pm
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Morgoth is almost an exception to these rules ( 'oft evil will mar' / 'eveil overlord syndrome'). He is twice assaulted by the Valar because his acts become so intolerable but even though he is defeated both times he always has contingency plans in place - Utumno is destroyed but Angband is his fall-back. Angband is later assaulted in the War of Wrath but there are deeper pits dug to hide in just in case, and Ancalagon the Black is held back in reserve. Morgoth loses but he always seems to calculate more variables than Sauron. And some other examples: Morgoth overreaches when he becomes too incarnate within Arda and is thus vulnerable to 'death'? Yes but by the same token his essence is so disseminated that the whole of Arda is Marred. Morgoth and Ungoliant fall out over the spoils of Valinor? Well yes but Morgoth triumphs because he has a few Balrogs he can call on. In fact, Ungoliant aside, there's little dissent in Beleriand when it comes to the forces of Evil. Morgoth runs a pretty tight ship. It's the Free Peoples who are disorganised and who fight amongst themselves. A counter-example is the ridiculous amount of effort Morgoth seems to invest in bringing down Húrin's family. This fatal curse certainly leads to the tragic, bitter deaths of Húrin and his family but it also indirectly leads to the destruction of Morgoth's greatest (pre-Ancalagon) creation, Glaurung. What's more, Túrin remains so homicidal even in the afterlife that, according to the Second Prophecy of Mandos, he returns to kill Morgoth once and for all in the Dagor Dagorath. Any other examples out there, either way?
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Oft evil will shall evil mar - a recurring theme?
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noWizardme
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Dec 5 2012, 5:28pm
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A few more examples...
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noWizardme
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Dec 5 2012, 6:16pm
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Heartily agree I do
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CuriousG
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Dec 5 2012, 7:45pm
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And more
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CuriousG
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Dec 6 2012, 6:03pm
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The one ring itself
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noWizardme
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Dec 6 2012, 6:23pm
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Yes, and by no means limited to Tolkien.
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Elizabeth
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Dec 6 2012, 6:24pm
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The formula for James Bond and other villains
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CuriousG
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Dec 6 2012, 8:25pm
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Interesting which side has an "evil overlord " plan?
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noWizardme
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Dec 6 2012, 10:34pm
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Sauron as Evil Overlord
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Elizabeth
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Dec 7 2012, 3:45am
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Ah, I should have said "no Evil Overlord mistakes except the ones I didn't think of"...
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 10:54am
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Plotholes and eagles
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CuriousG
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Dec 7 2012, 4:26pm
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Nazgul combat air patrol
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 5:09pm
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A new eagle plot hole filler
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 5:35pm
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It's an inexhaustable discussion topic.
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Elizabeth
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Dec 7 2012, 7:07pm
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I'm glad they didn't, but
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CuriousG
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Dec 7 2012, 7:27pm
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I agree with this
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Ardamírë
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Dec 7 2012, 8:54pm
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Isn't there some
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Plurmo
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Dec 8 2012, 3:36am
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In all honesty
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Ardamírë
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Dec 8 2012, 4:01pm
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Heroes and underdogs
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CuriousG
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Dec 7 2012, 4:33pm
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The Nazgul and Evil Overlord rule 80
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 6:36pm
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I think Sauron was clever about the One Ring
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CuriousG
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Dec 7 2012, 4:05pm
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An odd Return to Owner feature
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 4:27pm
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To say nothing of an idea likely close to Tolkien's heart:
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SirDennisC
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Dec 7 2012, 2:55pm
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interesting topic
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elostirion74
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Dec 10 2012, 8:32pm
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A bit of both
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noWizardme
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Dec 10 2012, 9:14pm
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Credibility and the One Ring
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CuriousG
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Dec 11 2012, 4:58pm
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That's worth 2 new threads! :)
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noWizardme
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Dec 16 2012, 7:09pm
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Gandalf answered #1
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CuriousG
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Dec 16 2012, 8:52pm
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given the slightest encouragement...
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noWizardme
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Dec 18 2012, 12:07pm
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The greatest example of this has yet to be said!!!!!!!!!!
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Beren0nehanded
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Dec 11 2012, 1:26pm
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Morgoth the exception?
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Felagund
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Dec 16 2012, 5:25pm
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Curses can be your best friend
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CuriousG
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Dec 16 2012, 6:29pm
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link to eucatastrophy
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noWizardme
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Dec 18 2012, 3:22pm
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Second thoughts!
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noWizardme
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Dec 18 2012, 7:02pm
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Post then self-disagree? All too often. :) //
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CuriousG
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Dec 18 2012, 7:45pm
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"We knows what we thinks, precious." "No, no we doesn't think that at all!"
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noWizardme
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Dec 18 2012, 9:53pm
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