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A few possibilities

CuriousG
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Dec 16 2012, 4:59pm


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1. Why Sauron can control the Three even though he didn't make them: I think that even though he didn't make them specifically, they were made with the knowledge he gave to the Elves, so he had insight into their nature and how to corrupt them. Though poor Tolkien would roll over in his grave for me to bring up technology compared to the rings, I think it's fair to say that if you made the iPhone version 1, you could figure out how to bend the version 2 to your will even if you didn't make it yourself.

2. Why Gollum couldn't control the other rings: Galadriel told Frodo "Did not Gandalf tell you that the rings give power according to the measure of each possessor? Before you could use that power you would need to become far stronger, and to train your will to the domination of others." Hence Gollum wasn't strong enough to control the others, and nasty as he was, he didn't try to control other beings, he either killed them or hid from them. She also says: "Only thrice have you set the Ring upon your finger since you knew what you possessed." That makes me think that since Gollum didn't know what he really had, he wouldn't have thought about using it to control the Three which he also didn't know about.

3. Preservation of realms: it's my impression that Rivendell and Lorien were nice places to live before the Rings of Power were made, but not necessarily special. Gandalf mentions: "There is a wholesome air about Hollin. Much evil must befall a country before it wholly forgets the Elves." But it was the Three which made them the sublime places that we read about, so with the failure of the rings they would revert to being a nice abode, but not that special. Another consideration is the existential decline of the Eldar and rise of Men, so that time would more rapidly erode the charm of elven lands and make them mediocre like mortal ones, hence even reverting to a previous status wasn't an option anymore.

Subject User Time
Saruman and the Three Rings (of the Elves) Eärwen of Mithlond Send a private message to Eärwen of Mithlond Dec 14 2012, 6:56am
    Saruman the White Hanky PhantomS Send a private message to PhantomS Dec 15 2012, 12:36am
    Oh, he knew CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 15 2012, 6:58pm
        "You ruined your Three Rings..." Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 15 2012, 11:28pm
            One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to bind them Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Dec 16 2012, 12:35am
                Then... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 16 2012, 3:42am
                    Apparently there's a flaw inherent in Ring-of-Power making. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 16 2012, 4:53am
                        It was Smallbottle in Jan. 2004. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 16 2012, 5:33am
                        golden flaw Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Dec 16 2012, 4:48pm
                    A few possibilities CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 16 2012, 4:59pm
                        my thoughts exactly telain Send a private message to telain Dec 17 2012, 6:07pm
                            Wholesome Hollin and Homely Houses CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 17 2012, 6:35pm
                                going slightly off-topic... telain Send a private message to telain Dec 18 2012, 3:15pm
                                    It does sound a bit haughty; and, a contradiction for Galadriel? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 18 2012, 7:57pm
                                        interesting! telain Send a private message to telain Dec 20 2012, 1:46pm
                                        The elven rings didn't enchant the lands Cyberia Send a private message to Cyberia Dec 21 2012, 12:13am
                                            Yes, she didn't need Saruman to taunt her with her fate CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 21 2012, 1:11am
                                        Galadriel spent most of the (post-exile) First Age in Doriath SilentLion Send a private message to SilentLion Dec 26 2012, 4:50pm
                                            I Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Dec 26 2012, 5:41pm
                                            The defense of Lorien Cyberia Send a private message to Cyberia Dec 27 2012, 12:32am
                                                That Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Dec 27 2012, 1:10pm
                                            Great point. I overlooked Melian's mentorship.// CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 28 2012, 1:48am
            was it not elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Dec 17 2012, 3:24pm
        This definitely confirms the point Eärwen of Mithlond Send a private message to Eärwen of Mithlond Dec 18 2012, 7:01am
            Your point makes sense to me too CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 18 2012, 1:59pm
                Yeah Eärwen of Mithlond Send a private message to Eärwen of Mithlond Dec 19 2012, 5:17am

 
 
 

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