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Elthir
Grey Havens
Dec 11 2012, 8:18pm
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I think Tolkien's use of 'permanently' is a bit odd here: if the Exiled Noldor can step foot off of Tol Eressea for 'a given time' -- and we know Elves have a lot of time to live their lives, so what is a 'short visit' to an Elf -- then to me it seems to undercut the idea a bit, the idea that they are still paying, in some measure, for the Rebellion. Although I guess the very notion of not being able to permanently dwell somewhere that you would rather dwell (if a given Elf or Elves would rather dwell in Valinor) is still a payment of sorts. Not that Tol Eressea isn't a very nice place to live in any case. I'm sure it is Unless there is another way to read the Waldman letter with respect to not dwelling 'permanently' in Valinor, I guess.
(This post was edited by Elthir on Dec 11 2012, 8:21pm)
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Exil Noldor-to Aman or to Tol Eressea?
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Nerven
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Dec 10 2012, 4:28pm
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Good question
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elevorn
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Dec 10 2012, 5:38pm
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Letters or the Tale
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 4:10pm
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Not a fan of the idea
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Ardamírë
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Dec 11 2012, 7:25pm
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Visiting Valinor?
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 8:18pm
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Like being stuck looking over the fence at the party
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CuriousG
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Dec 11 2012, 9:07pm
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edited version
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 9:34pm
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That´s
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Nerven
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Dec 11 2012, 9:37pm
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later citations
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Elthir
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Dec 11 2012, 9:50pm
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it shouldn't be illegal.
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PhantomS
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Dec 15 2012, 12:29am
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I've pondered this myself
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Finwe
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Dec 17 2012, 8:53pm
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Finrod walks with finarfin in eldamar
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 5:42pm
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Interesting point...
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 5:49pm
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You're trippin
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 6:11pm
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Like I said
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 6:51pm
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Beren and luthien only edited by Christopher.
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 7:19pm
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I looked in Voronwe's book
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 8:14pm
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A bigger question--what about the others?
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 8:31pm
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Reincarnation
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 9:15pm
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That had to be a long line of people waiting to be judged after the Nirnaeth Arnoediad
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 9:46pm
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Desire
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Ardamírë
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Dec 20 2012, 10:49pm
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Beautiful, but sad
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CuriousG
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Dec 21 2012, 1:06am
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Sad but beautiful
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Ardamírë
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Dec 21 2012, 1:19am
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I would date this revision...
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Elthir
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Dec 21 2012, 7:02pm
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The ban of the Noldor
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 12:24am
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I
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:15am
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Galadriel's home
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 3:29pm
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Late quotes
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 3:53pm
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Bodily return
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 2:58pm
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Glorfindel
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 3:35pm
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Goldilocks
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 4:09pm
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Manwe's ordinances
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 4:17pm
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Glorfindel II
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 4:22pm
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My
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 5:13pm
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Ingil's return
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 5:45pm
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I don't remember if anyone has brought this up
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:18pm
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I
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:26pm
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It's says the Eldar
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:31pm
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Yes,
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:40pm
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The Noldor
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:45pm
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You
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 7:48pm
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In some versions
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:55pm
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external chronology
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 8:02pm
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But he's gone through purgatory
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:15pm
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How many Sun Years
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 8:22pm
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I
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 8:32pm
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Exil
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Nerven
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Dec 22 2012, 8:41pm
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Good question
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Elthir
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Dec 22 2012, 9:15pm
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Tolkien
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Nerven
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Dec 23 2012, 12:21pm
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Yeah, something like that
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Ardamírë
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Dec 23 2012, 2:38am
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Chill
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 6:18pm
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I thought of the same thing after reading Finwe's post...
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 6:23pm
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Tone
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Aule
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Dec 20 2012, 6:33pm
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Finarfin
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CuriousG
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Dec 20 2012, 6:45pm
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This statement...
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Elthir
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Dec 20 2012, 11:04pm
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