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Adapt or die.

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Dec 8 2012, 12:10pm


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Only objective reviews would ever be fair and that would be impossible. The other problem with RT is that unless you use the same critics each time for every film then the system becomes unfair as you are using different opinions each time you review. The big ions will obviously get more critical attention but smaller films will not. The larger sample size you take the more fair the result.

However, again it is subjective and the people reviewing them I feel are often trying to justify their jobs now in an industry that is becoming irrelevant. Reviews were helpful 20 years go before the advent of the Internet. But now, for example with this film, if I want the opinion on the Hobbit from people who love JRRT as much as me then I will come on here to see what people think of the film.

The opinions of reviewers mean little to me. The only thing it may sway is that of the ordinary non Middle Earth fan. But in all honesty, if you don't have an interest in fantasy then you probably wouldn't bother anyway.


Agree with your main point, but not this last sentence: I have no interest in fantasy whatsoever - as a genre, but was brought up on great literature - and that included Tolkien's books. They are potentially of interest to anyone who appreciates good English literature. If they also like film, they're going to be interested in any attempts to adapt the books.

The problem is that the price of all those costumes, sets and CGI is that the adapter is forced to make the films in a way that will appeal to people who never bothered to learn to read, let alone appreciate good writing. If the fans of the book also like it, that's just a bonus. Fortunately, the team adapting the text is concerned with the source literature and, being semi-independent, has some distance from Hollywood's drive towards the lowest common denominator. Unfortunately, however, many film critics are morons, who can't cope with any film that doesn't conform to the accepted formula. Given that Tolkien's work doesn't conform to the formula, any decent adaptation will inevitably get a fair degree of criticism.

The saving grace of Lord of the Rings, from a critics perspective, is that the story has an emotional depth and is deeply concerned with relationships between individuals. The Hobbit is written - at least in the earlier chapters that the first film deals with - as an adventure story and as far as relationships are concerned, most of the characters spend most of the book being cross with each other. The joy of the book for me, is the amount of grumbling, bickering and complaining; whether this is done well in the film, or appreciated by the audience remains to be seen.

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Rotten tomatoes (*waves wand)* - this now becomes the Fourth Official One Review Thread to Rule them All links to other review threads inside) - Please post reviews and related comments HERE! ElendurTheFaithful Send a private message to ElendurTheFaithful Dec 6 2012, 11:40pm
    Sigh Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Dec 6 2012, 11:46pm
        Well ElendurTheFaithful Send a private message to ElendurTheFaithful Dec 6 2012, 11:54pm
            Which is why Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Dec 6 2012, 11:56pm
                i read them BeornBerserker Send a private message to BeornBerserker Dec 7 2012, 12:05am
            I'm not sure quite what you mean. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Dec 7 2012, 12:02am
    subjetcive point of view Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Dec 6 2012, 11:52pm
        I really hope... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Dec 6 2012, 11:55pm
            We are Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano Dec 6 2012, 11:58pm
    That is the substance of a film review. Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Dec 6 2012, 11:58pm
    I agree HiddenSpring Send a private message to HiddenSpring Dec 6 2012, 11:59pm
        I've read 4-5 negative reviews of Hobbit, objective and rational, well written ElendurTheFaithful Send a private message to ElendurTheFaithful Dec 7 2012, 12:03am
    Indeed LordotRings93 Send a private message to LordotRings93 Dec 7 2012, 12:01am
    I would request not using the term "retarded". Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Dec 7 2012, 12:24am
        Mods up (NT) Calmandcloudless Send a private message to Calmandcloudless Dec 7 2012, 12:37am
        No. please dont use the term "Rancid" either..... Dlanor da Great Send a private message to Dlanor da Great Dec 7 2012, 12:43am
        A very good point, Aragalen. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Dec 7 2012, 12:47am
        Fair call - edits have been done. / Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Dec 7 2012, 1:17am
    The top critics have something in common that makes them stand out from the rest of the crowd Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Dec 7 2012, 12:29am
        another fun detail Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Dec 7 2012, 12:34am
    History of the World ceppault Send a private message to ceppault Dec 7 2012, 12:52am
        Mad props for bringing up that movie... sharpened_graphite Send a private message to sharpened_graphite Dec 7 2012, 12:58am
        Some final grades from Rotten Tomatoes... Dogsofwar Send a private message to Dogsofwar Dec 7 2012, 3:30am
            I concur with all those... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 7 2012, 4:26am
            Some classics on that list, most definitely. Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Dec 7 2012, 7:12am
            Home Alone! 54% DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 7 2012, 8:19am
                Ok since I've started this thread let me clear something first ElendurTheFaithful Send a private message to ElendurTheFaithful Dec 7 2012, 8:44am
                I think you mean Groundhog Day :-) belfalas Send a private message to belfalas Dec 7 2012, 9:45am
                    Also known as my birthday! ;-) / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 7 2012, 11:36am
            fun facts WhiskFishercat Send a private message to WhiskFishercat Dec 7 2012, 9:44pm
                Forrest Gump Crunchable Birdses Send a private message to Crunchable Birdses Dec 8 2012, 1:22pm
                    aww really? WhiskFishercat Send a private message to WhiskFishercat Dec 8 2012, 5:04pm
                        Forrest Gump sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 8 2012, 7:18pm
    If this Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Dec 7 2012, 1:24am
    Don't shoot the messenger Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Dec 7 2012, 2:34am
        That's exactly right jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Dec 7 2012, 2:42am
            review BeornBerserker Send a private message to BeornBerserker Dec 7 2012, 2:50am
                Erindor? Mooseboy018 Send a private message to Mooseboy018 Dec 7 2012, 2:53am
                    i know BeornBerserker Send a private message to BeornBerserker Dec 7 2012, 2:55am
                No dwarfs or nephews, just Erindor Finrod Send a private message to Finrod Dec 7 2012, 3:00am
                See, it's reviews like that... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Dec 7 2012, 3:38am
                    I've heard a lot of compaints about the length of LOTR jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Dec 7 2012, 3:47am
        I agree! But there is still an issue on how they report reviews thoon Send a private message to thoon Dec 7 2012, 3:36am
            Roger Ebert zecharas Send a private message to zecharas Dec 7 2012, 4:13am
                The nice thing about Ebert... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Dec 7 2012, 4:19am
                King Kong was awesome jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Dec 7 2012, 4:26am
                    That Mirror review sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 7 2012, 4:48am
                        Reading *anything* from a British tabloid is likely to damage your health Crunchable Birdses Send a private message to Crunchable Birdses Dec 7 2012, 10:28am
                            I have never bought a newspaper in years.... Balrogslunch Send a private message to Balrogslunch Dec 7 2012, 10:50am
        Interesting to note that Les Miserables, a reportedly strong Oscar contender... Maiarmike Send a private message to Maiarmike Dec 7 2012, 7:09am
            What Maiarmike said. macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Dec 7 2012, 7:13am
                Reviews are subjective... Silranhir Send a private message to Silranhir Dec 7 2012, 8:52am
                    Adapt or die. Bumblingidiot Send a private message to Bumblingidiot Dec 8 2012, 12:10pm
            A similar case... Aragorn the Elfstone Send a private message to Aragorn the Elfstone Dec 7 2012, 7:15am
            Miserables herzogian Send a private message to herzogian Dec 7 2012, 8:43am
                I beg to differ. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Dec 7 2012, 8:53am
                    Musical herzogian Send a private message to herzogian Dec 7 2012, 9:05am
                        It's a matter of taste, of course. Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Dec 7 2012, 9:48am
                            Musical herzogian Send a private message to herzogian Dec 7 2012, 10:56am
            Heh, I looked it up and... Crunchable Birdses Send a private message to Crunchable Birdses Dec 7 2012, 10:34am
    Critics herzogian Send a private message to herzogian Dec 7 2012, 8:58am
        My similar post of critics got locked, but what I think of critics.... Gorgori Send a private message to Gorgori Dec 7 2012, 4:01pm
    Because Jettorex Send a private message to Jettorex Dec 7 2012, 1:54pm
        new review BeornBerserker Send a private message to BeornBerserker Dec 7 2012, 2:05pm
            short but good review BeornBerserker Send a private message to BeornBerserker Dec 7 2012, 3:01pm
                interesting coomentary on some reviews BeornBerserker Send a private message to BeornBerserker Dec 7 2012, 3:15pm
                Sequels to surpass original films? Finrod Send a private message to Finrod Dec 7 2012, 3:44pm
                    Same thing BeornBerserker Send a private message to BeornBerserker Dec 7 2012, 4:02pm
    71 on rt Welsh hero Send a private message to Welsh hero Dec 7 2012, 4:03pm
    I really dont understand Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Dec 7 2012, 6:28pm
        I'm "obsessing" over it because it's fun. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 7 2012, 7:27pm
        I think the critical reviews are part of the whole story of the making of ... Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Dec 8 2012, 7:29pm
    A very positive review daemoon Send a private message to daemoon Dec 9 2012, 10:01pm

 
 
 

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