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You seem to be thinking about an earlier Saruman,

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invested in the secret study of ringmaking. A Saruman that would be all too desirous of even the lesser of the Ring of Power for studying purposes. A Saruman that could, unlikely as it seems, risk his disguise and his life trying to take Narya from Gandalf in an ambush out in the open.

In my analysis I consider a Saruman already aware of the (virtual) finding of the Ring of Sauron. It is a Saruman in open treason to the Council, acting as a tyrant in the making.

It's not a matter of Narya being itself "useless" and Saruman "utterly uninterested in possessing it" and anything else. It is the overwhelming presence of the One Ring changing completely Saruman's priorities. Saruman do know the difference between the One Ring and the other Rings. To Gandalf, a mere custodian of Narya, he announces that he is a veritable ring-maker himself (that is way above custodian in the mind of a disciple of Aulė and settles the issue of who is the greater wizard) and that he no longer cares about making things. He wants to become things. He wants to become a Power. Narya becomes a small trifle and the doom of the Balrog is settled.

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Why didn't Saruman take Narya from Gandalf? Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Nov 28 2012, 4:28pm
    From the Unfinished Tales: DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 28 2012, 4:55pm
        That just makes it all the more curious! Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Nov 28 2012, 5:27pm
            Assuming Saruman did know of the Ring, I can think of several reasons why he didn't take it DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 28 2012, 6:14pm
                2 and 3 sound good to me. // Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Nov 29 2012, 5:09pm
    Narya and the Ruby Slippers Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Nov 28 2012, 6:42pm
    One word.... ForestPark Nov 28 2012, 10:45pm
    Saruman: Gandalf, lay down your Ring ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 29 2012, 12:35am
        Uhhh, Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Nov 29 2012, 7:06am
            You had me! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 29 2012, 10:45am
                "Look! Here's someone who can help you!" Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Nov 29 2012, 6:01pm
    Two things zarabia Send a private message to zarabia Nov 29 2012, 6:26am
    Narya is the quintessential conservative Ring Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Nov 29 2012, 3:09pm
        I have no idea if this is serious or a joke. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Nov 29 2012, 5:04pm
            Just to clarify... Eye's on Guard Send a private message to Eye's on Guard Nov 30 2012, 6:26am
                Fair enough. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Nov 30 2012, 5:08pm
        Conservatism is about permanence. Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Dec 4 2012, 5:01pm
            Saruman begrudged Gandalf having the ring to the extent that it drove a wedge between them Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Dec 7 2012, 12:52am
                You seem to be thinking about an earlier Saruman, Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Dec 7 2012, 5:47pm

 
 
 

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