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CuriousG
Half-elven
Dec 7 2012, 4:26pm
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Oh, yeah, don't get me started on "science stuff." I like sci-fi a lot, but I don't like it when they insult my intelligence with lame techno-babble to cover up glaring mistakes in writing. Star Trek was egregious in that, and so was X-Files. Overall, I think Tolkien is pretty airtight. It can take some digging, but even some of the more obvious flaws can be explained away: 1. Why don't the Valar send an army to defeat Sauron? Because they don't want to destroy a lot of the world like they did when they fought Morgoth. 2. Why does Gandalf send a couple hobbits on a hopeless doomed mission that not even the drunkest gambler in Vegas would bet on? I think it's revealing when he tells Frodo that he was meant to find the ring, and not by its maker; i.e., there's a higher power at work specifically on Frodo's side, so it's not as hopeless as it seems. Eagles remain a problem. Why don't they fly Frodo to Mount Doom? Because they don't get that involved. Okay, then why do they show up at the battle at the Morannon and attack the Nazgul, and then rescue Frodo--they'll carry him out of Mordor, but won't carry him in? I thought they didn't get involved? But I let Tolkien off the hook on this one, partly because the story would be over in 20 pages if they flew Frodo in for a quick drop-off at the Crack of Doom, partly because Tolkien believed the Eagles, representing Manwe, only get involved at the very last minute and in the greatest need. Except when Gandalf is imprisoned on Orthanc, or returns from the dead on Zirak-zigil, or when he tells them to search the Anduin for the Fellowship: see, it doesn't hold up, especially in the last example, which is neither last minute nor that needy.
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Oft evil will shall evil mar - a recurring theme?
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noWizardme
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Dec 5 2012, 5:28pm
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A few more examples...
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noWizardme
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Dec 5 2012, 6:16pm
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Heartily agree I do
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CuriousG
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Dec 5 2012, 7:45pm
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And more
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CuriousG
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Dec 6 2012, 6:03pm
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The one ring itself
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noWizardme
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Dec 6 2012, 6:23pm
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Yes, and by no means limited to Tolkien.
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Elizabeth
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Dec 6 2012, 6:24pm
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The formula for James Bond and other villains
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CuriousG
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Dec 6 2012, 8:25pm
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Interesting which side has an "evil overlord " plan?
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noWizardme
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Dec 6 2012, 10:34pm
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Sauron as Evil Overlord
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Elizabeth
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Dec 7 2012, 3:45am
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Ah, I should have said "no Evil Overlord mistakes except the ones I didn't think of"...
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 10:54am
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Plotholes and eagles
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CuriousG
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Dec 7 2012, 4:26pm
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Nazgul combat air patrol
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 5:09pm
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A new eagle plot hole filler
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 5:35pm
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It's an inexhaustable discussion topic.
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Elizabeth
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Dec 7 2012, 7:07pm
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I'm glad they didn't, but
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CuriousG
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Dec 7 2012, 7:27pm
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I agree with this
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Ardamírë
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Dec 7 2012, 8:54pm
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Isn't there some
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Plurmo
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Dec 8 2012, 3:36am
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In all honesty
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Ardamírë
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Dec 8 2012, 4:01pm
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Heroes and underdogs
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CuriousG
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Dec 7 2012, 4:33pm
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The Nazgul and Evil Overlord rule 80
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 6:36pm
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I think Sauron was clever about the One Ring
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CuriousG
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Dec 7 2012, 4:05pm
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An odd Return to Owner feature
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noWizardme
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Dec 7 2012, 4:27pm
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To say nothing of an idea likely close to Tolkien's heart:
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SirDennisC
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Dec 7 2012, 2:55pm
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interesting topic
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elostirion74
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Dec 10 2012, 8:32pm
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A bit of both
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noWizardme
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Dec 10 2012, 9:14pm
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Credibility and the One Ring
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CuriousG
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Dec 11 2012, 4:58pm
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That's worth 2 new threads! :)
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noWizardme
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Dec 16 2012, 7:09pm
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Gandalf answered #1
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CuriousG
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Dec 16 2012, 8:52pm
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given the slightest encouragement...
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noWizardme
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Dec 18 2012, 12:07pm
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The greatest example of this has yet to be said!!!!!!!!!!
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Beren0nehanded
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Dec 11 2012, 1:26pm
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Morgoth the exception?
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Felagund
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Dec 16 2012, 5:25pm
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Curses can be your best friend
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CuriousG
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Dec 16 2012, 6:29pm
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link to eucatastrophy
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noWizardme
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Dec 18 2012, 3:22pm
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Second thoughts!
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noWizardme
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Dec 18 2012, 7:02pm
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Post then self-disagree? All too often. :) //
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CuriousG
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Dec 18 2012, 7:45pm
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"We knows what we thinks, precious." "No, no we doesn't think that at all!"
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noWizardme
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Dec 18 2012, 9:53pm
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