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herzogian
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Dec 7 2012, 10:56am
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You make some good points here. Opera and musical indeed share the use of music as a medium through wich we can hear the characters thoughts, feelings etc. But there are some big differences. First in the style of music. I think the kind of music used in musicals is rather cheap, bombastic and generic. Take for instance the famous 'Susan Boyle song' from les Miserables. I don't like it because its oversentimental and dramatic. There are more subtle ways to bring over such feelings. Off course you can say that this is matter of taste. Some like the theme's from musicals others don't. Also opera has no normal dialogue. All the text is in the form of singing. So an opera does not only express the feelings of the characters it also contains the dialogue. A musical does have these dialogues and thats another reason why i find it so hard to like them. Because when they start singing after having a part with normal dialogue i am suddenly thrown out of the story. But maybe thats a matter of habituation. Also i don't think i would like opera as a form of cinema, as a movie. It just wont work in my mind. You have to see it on stage. I agree with you when you say that music can enhance the cinematic experience. But there are different kinds of music.Lotr for instance is a good example. Though Lotr certainly is no musical, Howard Shore's track acts like a sort of dialogue trough the movie. It differs from musicals because there is no use of words and because its another kind of music. Its more subtle you dont hear Frodo singing: Oh no the ring is getting to me! Heavier Heavier all the time while im taking this big climb! No instead you hear the ringtheme, the theme through witch you can feel how Frodo is getting more and more enslaved to the power of the ring. In this sense a musical is less interpretive and impressionistic than such films (good cinema). There is no literal text saying something in a literal way through the means of a song. No, there is a mixture of elements, music, image, acting which creates a certain atmosphere. You have to work more to understand these feelings but it is in my mind more rewarding.
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Rotten tomatoes (*waves wand)* - this now becomes the Fourth Official One Review Thread to Rule them All links to other review threads inside) - Please post reviews and related comments HERE!
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ElendurTheFaithful
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Dec 6 2012, 11:40pm
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Sigh
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Dec 6 2012, 11:46pm
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Well
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ElendurTheFaithful
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Dec 6 2012, 11:54pm
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Which is why
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Lusitano
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Dec 6 2012, 11:56pm
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i read them
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BeornBerserker
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Dec 7 2012, 12:05am
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I'm not sure quite what you mean.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Dec 7 2012, 12:02am
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subjetcive point of view
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Lusitano
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Dec 6 2012, 11:52pm
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I really hope...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Dec 6 2012, 11:55pm
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We are
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Lusitano
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Dec 6 2012, 11:58pm
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That is the substance of a film review.
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Ataahua
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Dec 6 2012, 11:58pm
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I agree
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HiddenSpring
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Dec 6 2012, 11:59pm
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I've read 4-5 negative reviews of Hobbit, objective and rational, well written
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ElendurTheFaithful
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Dec 7 2012, 12:03am
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Indeed
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LordotRings93
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Dec 7 2012, 12:01am
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I would request not using the term "retarded".
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Aragalen the Green
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Dec 7 2012, 12:24am
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Mods up (NT)
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Dec 7 2012, 12:37am
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No. please dont use the term "Rancid" either.....
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Dlanor da Great
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Dec 7 2012, 12:43am
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A very good point, Aragalen.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Dec 7 2012, 12:47am
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Fair call - edits have been done. /
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Ataahua
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Dec 7 2012, 1:17am
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The top critics have something in common that makes them stand out from the rest of the crowd
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Escapist
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Dec 7 2012, 12:29am
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another fun detail
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Escapist
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Dec 7 2012, 12:34am
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ceppault
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Dec 7 2012, 12:52am
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Dec 7 2012, 4:26am
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Dec 7 2012, 7:12am
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Home Alone! 54%
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DanielLB
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Dec 7 2012, 8:19am
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Ok since I've started this thread let me clear something first
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ElendurTheFaithful
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Dec 7 2012, 8:44am
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I think you mean Groundhog Day :-)
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belfalas
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Dec 7 2012, 9:45am
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Also known as my birthday! ;-) /
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DanielLB
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Dec 7 2012, 11:36am
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fun facts
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Forrest Gump
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aww really?
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Forrest Gump
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sauget.diblosio
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If this
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Silverlode
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Dec 7 2012, 1:24am
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Don't shoot the messenger
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Elizabeth
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Dec 7 2012, 2:34am
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That's exactly right
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Dec 7 2012, 2:42am
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review
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BeornBerserker
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Dec 7 2012, 2:50am
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Erindor?
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Mooseboy018
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Dec 7 2012, 2:53am
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i know
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Dec 7 2012, 2:55am
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No dwarfs or nephews, just Erindor
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Finrod
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Dec 7 2012, 3:00am
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See, it's reviews like that...
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Dec 7 2012, 3:38am
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I've heard a lot of compaints about the length of LOTR
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jtarkey
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Dec 7 2012, 3:47am
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I agree! But there is still an issue on how they report reviews
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thoon
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Dec 7 2012, 3:36am
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Roger Ebert
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zecharas
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Dec 7 2012, 4:13am
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The nice thing about Ebert...
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Dec 7 2012, 4:19am
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King Kong was awesome
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jtarkey
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Dec 7 2012, 4:26am
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That Mirror review
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 7 2012, 4:48am
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Reading *anything* from a British tabloid is likely to damage your health
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Dec 7 2012, 10:28am
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I have never bought a newspaper in years....
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Dec 7 2012, 10:50am
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Interesting to note that Les Miserables, a reportedly strong Oscar contender...
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Maiarmike
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Dec 7 2012, 7:09am
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What Maiarmike said.
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macfalk
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Dec 7 2012, 7:13am
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Reviews are subjective...
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Silranhir
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Dec 7 2012, 8:52am
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Adapt or die.
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Bumblingidiot
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Dec 8 2012, 12:10pm
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A similar case...
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Miserables
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herzogian
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Dec 7 2012, 8:43am
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I beg to differ.
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Silverlode
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Dec 7 2012, 8:53am
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Musical
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herzogian
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Dec 7 2012, 9:05am
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It's a matter of taste, of course.
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Silverlode
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Dec 7 2012, 9:48am
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Musical
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herzogian
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Dec 7 2012, 10:56am
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Heh, I looked it up and...
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Crunchable Birdses
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herzogian
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Dec 7 2012, 8:58am
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My similar post of critics got locked, but what I think of critics....
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Gorgori
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Dec 7 2012, 4:01pm
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Because
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Jettorex
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Dec 7 2012, 1:54pm
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new review
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BeornBerserker
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Dec 7 2012, 2:05pm
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short but good review
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BeornBerserker
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Dec 7 2012, 3:01pm
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interesting coomentary on some reviews
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BeornBerserker
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Dec 7 2012, 3:15pm
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Sequels to surpass original films?
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Finrod
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Dec 7 2012, 3:44pm
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Same thing
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BeornBerserker
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Dec 7 2012, 4:02pm
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71 on rt
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Welsh hero
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Dec 7 2012, 4:03pm
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I really dont understand
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Elenorflower
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Dec 7 2012, 6:28pm
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I'm "obsessing" over it because it's fun.
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Dec 7 2012, 7:27pm
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I think the critical reviews are part of the whole story of the making of ...
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Escapist
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Dec 8 2012, 7:29pm
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A very positive review
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Dec 9 2012, 10:01pm
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