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From the Unfinished Tales:

DanielLB
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Nov 28 2012, 4:55pm


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And the Grey Messenger [Gandalf] took the Ring, and kept it ever secret; yet the White Messenger [Saruman] (who was skilled to uncover all secrets) after a time became aware of this gift, and begrudged it, and it was the beginning of the hidden ill-will that he bore to the Grey, which afterwards became manifest.


This shows that Gandalf secretly concealed the Ring, and that Saruman did know he possessed it. At the same time, we aren't told exactly how Gandalf concealed the ring, nor when Saruman became aware of it.

Saruman may have become aware of the Ring after Gandalf escaped Orthanc - perhaps coming back as Gandalf the White had something to do with it? Even if Saruman did know about the Ring before Gandalf's escape, it was well hidden by Gandalf - he may not have even had it on him!

Even still, why would Saruman want the Ring? Elrond says they cannot be used for war, nor give the wearer "power":


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[T]hey were not made as weapons of war or conquest: that is not their power. Those who made them did not desire strength or domination ... but understanding, making, and healing, to preserve all things unstained.


Apart from being the owner, it wouldn't have given Saruman any special powers.

That's how I interpret it, anyway.

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Subject User Time
Why didn't Saruman take Narya from Gandalf? Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Nov 28 2012, 4:28pm
    From the Unfinished Tales: DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 28 2012, 4:55pm
        That just makes it all the more curious! Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Nov 28 2012, 5:27pm
            Assuming Saruman did know of the Ring, I can think of several reasons why he didn't take it DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 28 2012, 6:14pm
                2 and 3 sound good to me. // Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Nov 29 2012, 5:09pm
    Narya and the Ruby Slippers Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Nov 28 2012, 6:42pm
    One word.... ForestPark Nov 28 2012, 10:45pm
    Saruman: Gandalf, lay down your Ring ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 29 2012, 12:35am
        Uhhh, Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Nov 29 2012, 7:06am
            You had me! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 29 2012, 10:45am
                "Look! Here's someone who can help you!" Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Nov 29 2012, 6:01pm
    Two things zarabia Send a private message to zarabia Nov 29 2012, 6:26am
    Narya is the quintessential conservative Ring Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Nov 29 2012, 3:09pm
        I have no idea if this is serious or a joke. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Nov 29 2012, 5:04pm
            Just to clarify... Eye's on Guard Send a private message to Eye's on Guard Nov 30 2012, 6:26am
                Fair enough. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Nov 30 2012, 5:08pm
        Conservatism is about permanence. Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Dec 4 2012, 5:01pm
            Saruman begrudged Gandalf having the ring to the extent that it drove a wedge between them Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Dec 7 2012, 12:52am
                You seem to be thinking about an earlier Saruman, Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Dec 7 2012, 5:47pm

 
 
 

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