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DanielLB
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Nov 28 2012, 4:55pm
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And the Grey Messenger [Gandalf] took the Ring, and kept it ever secret; yet the White Messenger [Saruman] (who was skilled to uncover all secrets) after a time became aware of this gift, and begrudged it, and it was the beginning of the hidden ill-will that he bore to the Grey, which afterwards became manifest.
This shows that Gandalf secretly concealed the Ring, and that Saruman did know he possessed it. At the same time, we aren't told exactly how Gandalf concealed the ring, nor when Saruman became aware of it.
Saruman may have become aware of the Ring after Gandalf escaped Orthanc - perhaps coming back as Gandalf the White had something to do with it? Even if Saruman did know about the Ring before Gandalf's escape, it was well hidden by Gandalf - he may not have even had it on him!
Even still, why would Saruman want the Ring? Elrond says they cannot be used for war, nor give the wearer "power":
[T]hey were not made as weapons of war or conquest: that is not their power. Those who made them did not desire strength or domination ... but understanding, making, and healing, to preserve all things unstained.
Apart from being the owner, it wouldn't have given Saruman any special powers.
That's how I interpret it, anyway.
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Why didn't Saruman take Narya from Gandalf?
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Kassandros
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Nov 28 2012, 4:28pm
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From the Unfinished Tales:
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DanielLB
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Nov 28 2012, 4:55pm
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That just makes it all the more curious!
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Kassandros
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Nov 28 2012, 5:27pm
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Assuming Saruman did know of the Ring, I can think of several reasons why he didn't take it
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DanielLB
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Nov 28 2012, 6:14pm
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2 and 3 sound good to me. //
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Kassandros
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Nov 29 2012, 5:09pm
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Narya and the Ruby Slippers
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Lissuin
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Nov 28 2012, 6:42pm
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One word....
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ForestPark
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Nov 28 2012, 10:45pm
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Saruman: Gandalf, lay down your Ring
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ElendilTheShort
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Nov 29 2012, 12:35am
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Uhhh,
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Lissuin
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Nov 29 2012, 7:06am
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You had me!
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DanielLB
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Nov 29 2012, 10:45am
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"Look! Here's someone who can help you!"
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Lissuin
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Nov 29 2012, 6:01pm
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Two things
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zarabia
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Nov 29 2012, 6:26am
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Narya is the quintessential conservative Ring
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Plurmo
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Nov 29 2012, 3:09pm
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I have no idea if this is serious or a joke.
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Kassandros
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Nov 29 2012, 5:04pm
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Just to clarify...
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Eye's on Guard
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Nov 30 2012, 6:26am
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Fair enough.
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Kassandros
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Nov 30 2012, 5:08pm
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Conservatism is about permanence.
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Plurmo
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Dec 4 2012, 5:01pm
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Saruman begrudged Gandalf having the ring to the extent that it drove a wedge between them
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Dec 7 2012, 12:52am
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You seem to be thinking about an earlier Saruman,
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Plurmo
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Dec 7 2012, 5:47pm
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