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South or West

Grey Havens

Nov 26 2012, 12:04pm

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South or West [In reply to] Can't Post

You may well be right, I'm just not sure it's certain. Beorn says that he must ask them all to send back his horse and ponies, so he certainly includes the horse in the promise. The later conversation, it seems to me, is Gandalf playing a bit with Thorin's statement: Thorin says 'sending that back' and Gandalf replies he is not sending it...

... to me 'the play' so far is between riding and sending, and 'back' or not is still in question. Thorin then focuses on the promise, which as we know was to return the horse as well, and Gandalf says: 'I will look after that. I am not sending the horse back, I am riding it.'

Well, in my opinion, the way this is phrased one doesn't necessarily have to say 'back' after riding, as it can be implied due to the first part of the sentence; but it may be that Gandalf deliberately does not say back because even if it's implied, it isn't what he means (at least at the moment).

Moreover, as you point out, Gandalf and the ponies are given 'somewhat separate' exits, so to speak, which might imply that he isn't going with the ponies, and thus 'back' to Beorn's house at the moment, and it's actually stated that he rides West -- although on that note, he had already said he had pressing business South.

And as for the ponies, which way did they begin their return? They: 'put their tails towards the Shadow of Mirkwood' and Bilbo thought he saw a 'thing like a Bear left the shadow of the trees and shambled off quickly after them.'

So while I think you interpretation is certainly valid (and even if Gandalf implied 'I am riding it (back)' he might mean at some later point), I'm not sure it's a certainty. Beorn's house was (generally) South of where the company now stood, and I think the main impact of Gandalf's words was that he was now leaving Bilbo and the Dwarves, while leaving it somewhat unclear as to how he was to keep his promise to Beorn about the horse.

At the moment you've got me leaning more toward Gandalf only technically keeping his promise. I mean he could use a horse if his business was pressing; but on the other hand the wizard himself notes that it might be dangerous to cross Beorn, if Beorn wasn't allowing Gandalf any extra room with his promise that is.

(This post was edited by Elthir on Nov 26 2012, 12:12pm)

Subject User Time
Did Beorn know of Gandalf's mission in Hobbit? BeornBerserker Send a private message to BeornBerserker Nov 19 2012, 1:42pm
    My impression... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Nov 19 2012, 1:46pm
        Yes that possibility seems to be open, I agree Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 19 2012, 6:38pm
        Another impression CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Nov 19 2012, 9:49pm
            What comes to Mind is a shot in the First Scroll. Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Nov 20 2012, 3:01am
    Didn't Gandalf say Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Nov 21 2012, 3:26pm
        Gandalf's horses Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 21 2012, 4:37pm
        Gandalf didn't return the ponies to Beorn JohnsS29 Send a private message to JohnsS29 Nov 25 2012, 6:32am
            Bearing in mind... Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 25 2012, 5:19pm
                The gist of it JohnsS29 Send a private message to JohnsS29 Nov 26 2012, 10:08am
                    South or West Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 26 2012, 12:04pm
                        I still believe that... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Nov 26 2012, 2:40pm
                            Another factor might be... Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 26 2012, 3:10pm
                                Oh, I'm sure that Gandalf would not deliberately cross Beorn... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Nov 26 2012, 3:13pm


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