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totoro
Lorien
Nov 25 2012, 10:26pm
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Gandalf looks suspicious of Saruman from the outset. When he says to Bilbo that Saruman will know what to do, he looks very nervous. I think Saruman could do something in one of the Hobbit movies that makes Gandalf suspicious, but unwilling to make the logical leap to Saruman having fallen. In any case, I think it has been confirmed that Saruman is the unfallen variety. I cannot see him harming Radagast given he is unfallen. Just as a thought experiment, though: If he did backstab Radagast, I think it would work best if Raddy were trying to help the dwarves before they are treed, which would mean Radagast is out of the second movie and the audience knows Saruman is bad. It would be interesting in that the Eagles come to save Gandalf when Saruman has somehow maneuvered him into ambush, then Eagles save him later when Saruman imprisons him.
Firstly, I would always advocate watching prequels after the original but, putting that to one side, Saruman is presented as evil almost immediately upon meeting him in FOTR and this is fully confirmed in under a minute. There is no extended plot strand where we believe him to be good only to have our thoughts reversed by a dramatic reveal. It is important that Gandalf doesn't suspect (or overly suspect) Saruman prior to this meeting but far less so for the audience. LR
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Could PJ kill off Radagast?
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chris10112
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Nov 24 2012, 4:28pm
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Many have speculated so
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DanielLB
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Nov 24 2012, 4:31pm
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I'm assuming he will.
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Elutherian
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Nov 24 2012, 4:32pm
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but...
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jimmyfenn
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Nov 24 2012, 4:36pm
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Not in the films. He appears in FOTR book. /
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DanielLB
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Nov 24 2012, 4:37pm
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Doubtful
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Lightice
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Nov 24 2012, 4:36pm
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That old trope
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chris10112
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Nov 24 2012, 4:39pm
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There was an interesting discussion
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DanielLB
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Nov 24 2012, 4:43pm
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Ta, fella
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chris10112
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Nov 24 2012, 4:44pm
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It's not about shock value...
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Elutherian
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Nov 24 2012, 5:12pm
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If he dies...
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T_Meyers
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Nov 24 2012, 5:26pm
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Even more unlikely
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Lightice
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Nov 24 2012, 7:27pm
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I don't see why Saruman's betrayal should be a surprise in FOTR...
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Elutherian
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Nov 24 2012, 8:08pm
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Visuals
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Eleniel
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Nov 24 2012, 8:17pm
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Sorry, I don't see it
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Lightice
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Nov 24 2012, 9:10pm
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He doesn't HAVE to die....
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Elutherian
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Nov 24 2012, 9:12pm
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The theory
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Fredeghar Wayfarer
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Nov 24 2012, 10:14pm
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In my childhood
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totoro
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Nov 24 2012, 10:28pm
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I'll not be happy if raddy is knifed
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totoro
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Nov 24 2012, 10:36pm
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I dont want Radagast to die either.
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Elenorflower
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Nov 24 2012, 10:55pm
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Radagast will die...
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painjoiker
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Nov 24 2012, 11:33pm
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I was almost sure about it previously
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Faenoriel
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Nov 25 2012, 1:29pm
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Exactly...
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Eleniel
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Nov 24 2012, 11:05pm
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On the Saruman FOTR point, I don't see that as any great issue.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 25 2012, 1:34pm
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Even in FotR
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totoro
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Nov 25 2012, 10:26pm
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Not sure he is all that unfallen
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 25 2012, 10:38pm
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All we know by now is that Radagast's sled bunnies were cooked by Sam.//
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Plurmo
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Nov 24 2012, 6:55pm
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Which is why he refuses to help anyone in LotR.//
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Faenoriel
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Nov 24 2012, 10:42pm
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PJ will probably choose to kill him off, but almost certainly not in film 1
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Nov 24 2012, 7:43pm
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If they kill him off
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Elenorflower
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Nov 24 2012, 10:35pm
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I dislike GoT for that reason alone nt
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totoro
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Nov 24 2012, 10:37pm
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I've always, and still, dislike this line of thinking....
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Bladerunner
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Nov 24 2012, 11:42pm
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Radagast
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Elenorflower
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Nov 25 2012, 1:48am
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