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Bearing in mind...

Elthir
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Nov 25 2012, 5:19pm


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... that Beorn followed the Dwarves and Gandalf notes this, it is still Gandalf who says 'Now you must send back these excellent ponies you have borrowed.' And then Thorin questions Ganadalf about the 'horse' and his promise, and Gandalf says: 'I will look after that. I am not sending the horse back, I am riding it.' And with this they knew Gandalf was leaving them.

So it's Gandalf who still uses the phrasing 'send back' despite that he knows Beorn has followed, and the meaning is still easily enough understood: Beorn is getting his ponies back, they are 'returned' before venturing deep into Mirkwood, and they will end up back at his home.

Gandalf arguably draws the distinction between 'sending' and 'riding' because he is leaving the Dwarves and Bilbo at this point, but to my mind the reader can't tell if Gandalf means he is riding 'back' along with the ponies (which I think is at least implied) to return his horse as well, or if this means he is riding it as in: anywhere else he wants to go.

So in my opinion the distinction you're making here about returning the ponies still leaves the reader wondering the same thing: we don't know if the wizard is going back with Beorn and leaving his horse at Beorn's home, or if Beorn has allowed Gandalf to take the horse to his next destination.


(This post was edited by Elthir on Nov 25 2012, 5:27pm)

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Did Beorn know of Gandalf's mission in Hobbit? BeornBerserker Send a private message to BeornBerserker Nov 19 2012, 1:42pm
    My impression... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Nov 19 2012, 1:46pm
        Yes that possibility seems to be open, I agree Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 19 2012, 6:38pm
        Another impression CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Nov 19 2012, 9:49pm
            What comes to Mind is a shot in the First Scroll. Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Nov 20 2012, 3:01am
    Didn't Gandalf say Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Nov 21 2012, 3:26pm
        Gandalf's horses Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 21 2012, 4:37pm
        Gandalf didn't return the ponies to Beorn JohnsS29 Send a private message to JohnsS29 Nov 25 2012, 6:32am
            Bearing in mind... Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 25 2012, 5:19pm
                The gist of it JohnsS29 Send a private message to JohnsS29 Nov 26 2012, 10:08am
                    South or West Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 26 2012, 12:04pm
                        I still believe that... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Nov 26 2012, 2:40pm
                            Another factor might be... Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 26 2012, 3:10pm
                                Oh, I'm sure that Gandalf would not deliberately cross Beorn... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Nov 26 2012, 3:13pm

 
 
 

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