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Sorry, I don't see it

Lightice
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Nov 24 2012, 9:10pm


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Also, in the books Saruman was more interested in finding the ring for himself than allying with Sauron simply because he thinks it's a good idea.



I am aware, but this is not introduced in the films, so it would just add needless confusion. Saruman may express unhealthy interest in the One Ring, but short of declaring his intent to set himself up as the new Dark Lord, the White Council would only see him obsessing about finding the one thing that can defeat Sauron for good.

But what really bugs me about this whole hypothesis about Radagast's supposed death is just how little foundation it has within the material that we have, which is absolutely none. People simply figure out "he's not in the original trilogy, he must be dead!" It's a conclusion that makes no sense to me whatsoever. He was absent for the bulk of the books but no-one assumed that he got killed off-screen in them. There's simply no foundation whatsoever for this assumption at all. It's a piece of idle fan speculation that has somehow reached the levels canon in people's minds and I can't for the life of me comperehend why. It doesn't even make sense in the story canon: we're very clearly shown that the Istari who die in the course of their duties get resurrected until their work is done.

Repeat after me: absence of a character does not in itself imply death. It implies murder even less so; why people aren't speculating about Radagast heroically dying in the attack on Dol Guldur, for that matter? There's an equal amount of evidence to support it: none. I simply don't get why people obsess about getting Radagast killed in a pointless, humiliating way in a manner that conflicts the canon, introduces plot-holes and doesn't add anything to the story, also removing what could be an excellent retcon link to the character in the FotR through the infamous moth.

Sorry about the tirade, but people are seriously putting their cart before the horses with this speculation. It would be one thing if there was even something remotely hinting at the idea, but Sylvester McCoy has quite adamantly said that he hasn't even shot a single scene with Christopher Lee at this point. Everything speaks against the murder-theory.

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Could PJ kill off Radagast? chris10112 Send a private message to chris10112 Nov 24 2012, 4:28pm
    Many have speculated so DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 24 2012, 4:31pm
    I'm assuming he will. Elutherian Send a private message to Elutherian Nov 24 2012, 4:32pm
    but... jimmyfenn Send a private message to jimmyfenn Nov 24 2012, 4:36pm
        Not in the films. He appears in FOTR book. / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 24 2012, 4:37pm
    Doubtful Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Nov 24 2012, 4:36pm
        That old trope chris10112 Send a private message to chris10112 Nov 24 2012, 4:39pm
            There was an interesting discussion DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 24 2012, 4:43pm
                Ta, fella chris10112 Send a private message to chris10112 Nov 24 2012, 4:44pm
        It's not about shock value... Elutherian Send a private message to Elutherian Nov 24 2012, 5:12pm
            If he dies... T_Meyers Send a private message to T_Meyers Nov 24 2012, 5:26pm
            Even more unlikely Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Nov 24 2012, 7:27pm
                I don't see why Saruman's betrayal should be a surprise in FOTR... Elutherian Send a private message to Elutherian Nov 24 2012, 8:08pm
                    Visuals Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Nov 24 2012, 8:17pm
                    Sorry, I don't see it Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Nov 24 2012, 9:10pm
                        He doesn't HAVE to die.... Elutherian Send a private message to Elutherian Nov 24 2012, 9:12pm
                        The theory Fredeghar Wayfarer Send a private message to Fredeghar Wayfarer Nov 24 2012, 10:14pm
                            In my childhood totoro Send a private message to totoro Nov 24 2012, 10:28pm
                                I'll not be happy if raddy is knifed totoro Send a private message to totoro Nov 24 2012, 10:36pm
                                    I dont want Radagast to die either. Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Nov 24 2012, 10:55pm
                                        Radagast will die... painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Nov 24 2012, 11:33pm
                                            I was almost sure about it previously Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Nov 25 2012, 1:29pm
                                Exactly... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Nov 24 2012, 11:05pm
                On the Saruman FOTR point, I don't see that as any great issue. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Nov 25 2012, 1:34pm
                    Even in FotR totoro Send a private message to totoro Nov 25 2012, 10:26pm
                        Not sure he is all that unfallen Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Nov 25 2012, 10:38pm
    All we know by now is that Radagast's sled bunnies were cooked by Sam.// Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Nov 24 2012, 6:55pm
        Which is why he refuses to help anyone in LotR.// Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Nov 24 2012, 10:42pm
    PJ will probably choose to kill him off, but almost certainly not in film 1 Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Nov 24 2012, 7:43pm
    If they kill him off Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Nov 24 2012, 10:35pm
        I dislike GoT for that reason alone nt totoro Send a private message to totoro Nov 24 2012, 10:37pm
    I've always, and still, dislike this line of thinking.... Bladerunner Send a private message to Bladerunner Nov 24 2012, 11:42pm
        Radagast Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Nov 25 2012, 1:48am

 
 
 

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