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Aitieuriskon
Rivendell
Nov 24 2012, 7:55pm
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There are indeed 2 separate scenes of Gandalf exploring ruins SPOILERS
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The outdoor Dol Guldur scene where Gandalf fights Thrain appears in Trailer 1 only, and was likely pushed back to DoS (Gandalf definitely has Glamdring). How then does Thorin come to have Train's key in AUJ? Perhaps Gandalf encountered him in Moria (since Weta Chronicles located Thrain's disappearance there), or has been to Dol Guldur before (canonical). OR Thorin was in possession of the key all along (since it is labelled as Thorin's key in all the merchandise).
Further confusing the issue is the appearance of Dol Guldur in AUJ as indicated by the soundtrack name "Hill of Sorcery" and the landscape shot from Trailer 2. I think it likely that these will be parts of Radagast's adventure in Mirkwood after he gets evicted from his home by spiders. He will relate it in flashback form to Gandalf (they will meet up after the dwarves leave the Shire).
The subterranean pit scene from both trailers 1 and 2 is distinct from the Dol Guldur scene (though I thought it was Dol Guldur when I saw the first trailer) and is confirmed as the Nazgul crypt in the Weta Chronicles book (and the debatable hint of a wraith scream in Trailer 2's pit scene). The crypt scene will occur after Radagast tells Gandalf of the dark power in Mirkwood and we see his flashback, at which point the two will leave the company to scout out the crypt structure which we see the exterior of in Weta Chronicles. This is where Gandalf tells Radagast to leave (this intel is from CinemaCon, right?). It also appears that Gandalf does not have Glamdring at this point, reenforcing the pre-Trollshaws chronological sequence.
What is curious about this scene is why Gandalf is being shown running into the crypt in Trailer 2, nearly falling over the edge of the pit.
These bits of information certainly raise more questions than they answer.
"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951
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The Hill of Sorcery?
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Captain Salt
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Nov 24 2012, 7:06pm
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I thought it Elrond's scenes with the White Council at DG
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Eleniel
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Nov 24 2012, 7:10pm
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Here it is on Empire Page 64:
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Captain Salt
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Nov 24 2012, 7:16pm
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To be fair...
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Elutherian
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Nov 24 2012, 7:32pm
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I doubt Empire on this one
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Lightice
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Nov 24 2012, 7:35pm
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Hil of Sorcery is on the score, but that doesn't mean Gandy is there in Film 1...
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Captain Salt
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Nov 24 2012, 7:45pm
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Ah, yes, the clips of Gandalf fighting zombie Thrain were only ever in the teaser...
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Eleniel
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Nov 24 2012, 7:42pm
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I agree that the narrative could get quite messy if they don't show the Thrain sequence
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Captain Salt
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Nov 24 2012, 7:51pm
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I don't think we'll see Gandalf in Dol Guldur in film 1
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Aitieuriskon
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Nov 24 2012, 8:08pm
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Just checked the Visual Companion...
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Eleniel
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Nov 24 2012, 8:34pm
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There are indeed 2 separate scenes of Gandalf exploring ruins SPOILERS
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Aitieuriskon
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Nov 24 2012, 7:55pm
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Soundtrack
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Eleniel
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Nov 24 2012, 8:13pm
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yes!
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Aitieuriskon
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Nov 24 2012, 8:18pm
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Intriguing speculations!
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Captain Salt
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Nov 24 2012, 8:36pm
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Ah, I'd forgotten the details of the Comic-Con footage...
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Eleniel
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Nov 24 2012, 8:42pm
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It is possible, however unlikey, that between the Wizard rescing the company and the first warg attack
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 24 2012, 9:59pm
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I think Gandalf is called away
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totoro
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Nov 24 2012, 10:21pm
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Agreed, I've considered this as well.
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Captain Salt
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Nov 25 2012, 1:14am
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Is it possible
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GothmogTheBalrog
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Nov 25 2012, 7:39pm
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Somewhere in Rivendell...
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dave_lf
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Nov 26 2012, 2:39pm
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Or the title could be misleading
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Faenoriel
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Nov 24 2012, 10:40pm
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True, but Gandalf has to go somewhere, right? nt
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totoro
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Nov 24 2012, 11:05pm
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And that somewhere must be near
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Faenoriel
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Nov 24 2012, 11:10pm
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In the Weta Chronicles book
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Aitieuriskon
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Nov 24 2012, 11:40pm
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Nice to have confirmation the Nazgul tomb is basically standing in for the barrow-downs in this tale...
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Captain Salt
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Nov 25 2012, 1:10am
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Don't forget the abounded farmhouse!
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DanielLB
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Nov 25 2012, 9:32am
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Wouldn't it be somewhat ironic,
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painjoiker
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Nov 25 2012, 3:18pm
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Yes, quite possibly...or the trolls?
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Captain Salt
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Nov 25 2012, 5:51pm
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Has someone been watching Bill & Ted recently?
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DanielLB
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Nov 25 2012, 6:00pm
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Heehee...so, Keanu's rumored cameo hanging out with Hugo on the White Council hasn't made the cut?
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Captain Salt
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Nov 25 2012, 6:17pm
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Unless its named anything specifically
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DanielLB
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Nov 25 2012, 6:28pm
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Isengard is even farther from The Shire than Dol Guldur is from The Troll Shaws
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 25 2012, 3:29am
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Travel at the speed of plot.
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Fardragon
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Nov 25 2012, 8:35am
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Lol.Indeed, Fardragon.
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 26 2012, 9:16am
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Gandalf at Dol Guldur could now very well open DoS as a kind of Prologue
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sycorax82
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Nov 25 2012, 12:20am
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I will make a guess
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Vangalad
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Nov 25 2012, 12:37am
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Bomby Agrees! ///
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Bombadil
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Nov 25 2012, 1:08am
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Sounds good. //
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Faenoriel
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Nov 25 2012, 1:26pm
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Here I thought...
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Aragalen the Green
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Nov 25 2012, 7:33pm
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Hmmm - the Tomb scene definitely takes place after Trollshaws
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 25 2012, 6:37pm
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So it must be..
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 25 2012, 7:11pm
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