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There are indeed 2 separate scenes of Gandalf exploring ruins SPOILERS

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Nov 24 2012, 7:55pm


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There are indeed 2 separate scenes of Gandalf exploring ruins SPOILERS [In reply to] Can't Post

The outdoor Dol Guldur scene where Gandalf fights Thrain appears in Trailer 1 only, and was likely pushed back to DoS (Gandalf definitely has Glamdring). How then does Thorin come to have Train's key in AUJ? Perhaps Gandalf encountered him in Moria (since Weta Chronicles located Thrain's disappearance there), or has been to Dol Guldur before (canonical). OR Thorin was in possession of the key all along (since it is labelled as Thorin's key in all the merchandise).

Further confusing the issue is the appearance of Dol Guldur in AUJ as indicated by the soundtrack name "Hill of Sorcery" and the landscape shot from Trailer 2. I think it likely that these will be parts of Radagast's adventure in Mirkwood after he gets evicted from his home by spiders. He will relate it in flashback form to Gandalf (they will meet up after the dwarves leave the Shire).

The subterranean pit scene from both trailers 1 and 2 is distinct from the Dol Guldur scene (though I thought it was Dol Guldur when I saw the first trailer) and is confirmed as the Nazgul crypt in the Weta Chronicles book (and the debatable hint of a wraith scream in Trailer 2's pit scene). The crypt scene will occur after Radagast tells Gandalf of the dark power in Mirkwood and we see his flashback, at which point the two will leave the company to scout out the crypt structure which we see the exterior of in Weta Chronicles. This is where Gandalf tells Radagast to leave (this intel is from CinemaCon, right?). It also appears that Gandalf does not have Glamdring at this point, reenforcing the pre-Trollshaws chronological sequence.

What is curious about this scene is why Gandalf is being shown running into the crypt in Trailer 2, nearly falling over the edge of the pit.

These bits of information certainly raise more questions than they answer.

"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951

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The Hill of Sorcery? Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Nov 24 2012, 7:06pm
    I thought it Elrond's scenes with the White Council at DG Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Nov 24 2012, 7:10pm
        Here it is on Empire Page 64: Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Nov 24 2012, 7:16pm
            To be fair... Elutherian Send a private message to Elutherian Nov 24 2012, 7:32pm
            I doubt Empire on this one Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Nov 24 2012, 7:35pm
                Hil of Sorcery is on the score, but that doesn't mean Gandy is there in Film 1... Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Nov 24 2012, 7:45pm
            Ah, yes, the clips of Gandalf fighting zombie Thrain were only ever in the teaser... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Nov 24 2012, 7:42pm
                I agree that the narrative could get quite messy if they don't show the Thrain sequence Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Nov 24 2012, 7:51pm
                    I don't think we'll see Gandalf in Dol Guldur in film 1 Aitieuriskon Send a private message to Aitieuriskon Nov 24 2012, 8:08pm
                        Just checked the Visual Companion... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Nov 24 2012, 8:34pm
            There are indeed 2 separate scenes of Gandalf exploring ruins SPOILERS Aitieuriskon Send a private message to Aitieuriskon Nov 24 2012, 7:55pm
                Soundtrack Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Nov 24 2012, 8:13pm
                    yes! Aitieuriskon Send a private message to Aitieuriskon Nov 24 2012, 8:18pm
                        Intriguing speculations! Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Nov 24 2012, 8:36pm
                            Ah, I'd forgotten the details of the Comic-Con footage... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Nov 24 2012, 8:42pm
    It is possible, however unlikey, that between the Wizard rescing the company and the first warg attack AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Nov 24 2012, 9:59pm
        I think Gandalf is called away totoro Send a private message to totoro Nov 24 2012, 10:21pm
        Agreed, I've considered this as well. Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Nov 25 2012, 1:14am
            Is it possible GothmogTheBalrog Send a private message to GothmogTheBalrog Nov 25 2012, 7:39pm
                Somewhere in Rivendell... dave_lf Send a private message to dave_lf Nov 26 2012, 2:39pm
    Or the title could be misleading Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Nov 24 2012, 10:40pm
        True, but Gandalf has to go somewhere, right? nt totoro Send a private message to totoro Nov 24 2012, 11:05pm
            And that somewhere must be near Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Nov 24 2012, 11:10pm
                In the Weta Chronicles book Aitieuriskon Send a private message to Aitieuriskon Nov 24 2012, 11:40pm
                    Nice to have confirmation the Nazgul tomb is basically standing in for the barrow-downs in this tale... Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Nov 25 2012, 1:10am
                        Don't forget the abounded farmhouse! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 25 2012, 9:32am
                            Wouldn't it be somewhat ironic, painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Nov 25 2012, 3:18pm
                            Yes, quite possibly...or the trolls? Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Nov 25 2012, 5:51pm
                                Has someone been watching Bill & Ted recently? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 25 2012, 6:00pm
                                    Heehee...so, Keanu's rumored cameo hanging out with Hugo on the White Council hasn't made the cut? Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Nov 25 2012, 6:17pm
                                        Unless its named anything specifically DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 25 2012, 6:28pm
                Isengard is even farther from The Shire than Dol Guldur is from The Troll Shaws AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Nov 25 2012, 3:29am
                    Travel at the speed of plot. Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Nov 25 2012, 8:35am
                        Lol.Indeed, Fardragon. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Nov 26 2012, 9:16am
    Gandalf at Dol Guldur could now very well open DoS as a kind of Prologue sycorax82 Send a private message to sycorax82 Nov 25 2012, 12:20am
    I will make a guess Vangalad Send a private message to Vangalad Nov 25 2012, 12:37am
        Bomby Agrees! /// Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Nov 25 2012, 1:08am
        Sounds good. // Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Nov 25 2012, 1:26pm
        Here I thought... Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Nov 25 2012, 7:33pm
    Hmmm - the Tomb scene definitely takes place after Trollshaws Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Nov 25 2012, 6:37pm
        So it must be.. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Nov 25 2012, 7:11pm

 
 
 

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