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Many variables here

Tol Eressea

Nov 23 2012, 10:09pm

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Many variables here [In reply to] Can't Post

For example, without the One Ring we wouldn't have Nazgûls, nor their influence in their respective kingdoms.

Let's assume the beginning and the middle would have gone as you described. No matter prepared Sauron would have had time to become, he still would have been bested by the Númenorians etc.

I believe Sauron would have been able to flee the Sinking even without the Ring. It's the opposite: Tolkien questioned himself how Sauron could save the Ring from the Sinking. And answered that he must have carried it with himself as he flee in his bodyless spirit form. After all, he was a Maia and therefore capable of controlling physical matter with his mere Fëa.

The War of the Last Alliance... Sauron would have been defeated, again. But would he have had enough power left to rebuild himself, no matter how slowly, without the Ring existing somewhere? I'm afraid my Ringlore is quite rusty, and someone else will have to answer this one.

What I know is that IF Sauron would have survived these destroyings of his body (yes, would he have surived its destroyment in the Fall of Númenor without the Ring?) and made it so far as to began the War of the Ring... which obvioysly wouldn't have been called that... he would have won.

And now someone who remembers their LotR-fu better than me can come and correct this mess.

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied

Subject User Time
What if Sauron had never made the One Ring? alienorchid Send a private message to alienorchid Nov 22 2012, 10:15am
    His power was in rapport with the ring ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 23 2012, 11:00am
    Many variables here Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Nov 23 2012, 10:09pm
        Well, he would have had an extra finger... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Nov 24 2012, 3:30am
        Not necessarily so... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Nov 27 2012, 3:06pm
            The Three were never meant for war CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Dec 5 2012, 9:03pm
                True, however... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Dec 5 2012, 9:28pm
    He wanted elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Nov 26 2012, 5:11pm
    An even more cautious & vulnerable Sauron Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Dec 4 2012, 8:43pm
    A reply Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Dec 5 2012, 5:53pm
        An especulative reply Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Dec 5 2012, 6:02pm


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