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burgahobbit
Rohan
Nov 23 2012, 7:45pm
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Here Tolkien explains why he left out cults and religions in Middle-earth
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"The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision. That is why I have not put in, or have cut out, practically all references to anything like 'religion', to cults or practices, in the imaginary world. For the religious element is absorbed into the story and the symbolism." – J.R.R. Tolkien (emphasis mine) And this is why I love The Lord of the Rings so much: the task to destroy the ring, the characters' dealings with temptation and sin, the Eucharistic element in the Elvish lembas bread, the Divine Providence that Gandalf speaks of throughout The Hobbit/LOTR/Unfinished tails, etc. etc., are all so symbolic and beautiful. As Tolkien describes it, the religious element is "absorbed into the story" and also the characters. I loved the films (or what I was allowed to watch of them) and I loved the hobbit book as a young child when I didn't understand all of this, but I love them even more now that I do!
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(Tolkien fans) What religion are you.
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Thorins_apprentice
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Nov 11 2012, 6:27am
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Did the people of MiddleEarth worship Eru Il'uvatar as a God.?
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Thorins_apprentice
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Nov 11 2012, 6:55am
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It's a little misleading...
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Elizabeth
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Nov 11 2012, 7:16am
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Yes, and also
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Starling
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Nov 11 2012, 8:02am
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Atheist is still a religion.
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Thorins_apprentice
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Nov 11 2012, 8:11am
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I meant to put Morman there as well.
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Thorins_apprentice
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Nov 11 2012, 8:30am
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'Mormon' is a nickname for members of a particular church, not a religion.
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Eowyn of Penns Woods
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Nov 14 2012, 4:40am
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I'm atheist, an don't worship myself /
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DanielLB
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Nov 11 2012, 8:53am
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Sorry Daniel.
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Thorins_apprentice
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Nov 11 2012, 9:00am
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Well you really should
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Starling
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Nov 11 2012, 9:00am
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My poll is definately not immortal or worship worthy.
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Thorins_apprentice
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Nov 11 2012, 9:04am
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Doesn't that mean people should worship me ;-)
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DanielLB
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Nov 11 2012, 9:09am
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*mods up* //
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 11 2012, 8:39pm
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not to start a flame war but
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Annael
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Nov 11 2012, 5:09pm
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This
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DanielLB
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Nov 11 2012, 5:34pm
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I agree with you
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Eredhion
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Nov 11 2012, 6:00pm
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My father is an atheist too
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 11 2012, 8:32pm
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''The goal of life is not to live forever, but to create something that does.''
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Tigero
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Nov 11 2012, 8:52pm
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"Atheism is a religion
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Ataahua
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Nov 11 2012, 6:18pm
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My dad says
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 11 2012, 8:36pm
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precisely. Or just keep them together.. ..
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Xanaseb
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Nov 17 2012, 8:10pm
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I don't fit into any category or belong to any group
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Annael
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Nov 11 2012, 5:04pm
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Same here
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zarabia
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Nov 13 2012, 2:55am
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exactly
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Annael
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Nov 13 2012, 5:16pm
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Thanks for getting my meaning even though I wasn't very clear :P
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zarabia
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Nov 14 2012, 6:29am
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Religion
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Sam20
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Nov 11 2012, 8:14pm
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Other:
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 11 2012, 8:34pm
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Oh, and I'm also
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 11 2012, 8:41pm
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Fixing broken link:
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 11 2012, 8:46pm
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Why 6 messages?
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Sam20
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Nov 11 2012, 8:49pm
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Six?
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 11 2012, 9:20pm
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Messages
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Sam20
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Nov 12 2012, 5:18pm
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if you're reading flat, try switching to threaded... it might explain some of what you wondered //
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Magpie
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Nov 12 2012, 5:52pm
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Whoosh!
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 12 2012, 6:08pm
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"That's how I got to be half eleven"
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Patty
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Nov 13 2012, 4:31am
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And because
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 11 2012, 9:24pm
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Now that is some sound advice,
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Starling
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Nov 12 2012, 8:26am
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I'm making some campaign posters as I type
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DanielLB
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Nov 12 2012, 8:34am
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Bribery won't work
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Starling
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Nov 12 2012, 8:41am
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Hmmm ... I'll have to re-think my plan of taking over TORn then, if bribery isn't going to work! /
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DanielLB
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Nov 12 2012, 8:56am
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Oh, dear.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 12 2012, 12:32pm
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I think I'll flip-flop
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Starling
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Nov 13 2012, 4:50am
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The fact that this topic can even be discussed here is a testament to the good nature of the TORn community.
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Escapist
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Nov 11 2012, 9:03pm
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It's a pretty nice place, isn't it? //
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 11 2012, 9:25pm
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There will be plenty of raised eyebrows among the admins though ;-)
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DanielLB
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Nov 11 2012, 10:11pm
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I was worried when I saw the thread title!
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Escapist
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Nov 11 2012, 10:19pm
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We've all been trained to play nice :-)
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 14 2012, 8:48pm
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We do
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Ataahua
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Nov 12 2012, 1:21am
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Spiritual agnostic
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sevilodorf
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Nov 11 2012, 10:06pm
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Fun fact
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Ring-Bearer
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Nov 12 2012, 12:24am
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Oh, and to actually answer the question, I am an Anglican now
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Starling
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Nov 12 2012, 8:31am
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How interesting!
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Nov 12 2012, 12:39pm
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I think I'm a theist
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FlyingSerkis
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Nov 12 2012, 7:27pm
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psst
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Annael
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Nov 12 2012, 7:30pm
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;-) //
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FlyingSerkis
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Nov 12 2012, 8:09pm
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Agnostic //
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Arwen's daughter
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Nov 13 2012, 8:08pm
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Personally I find it hard to answer this question, although atheist would be my answer
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Nov 14 2012, 9:46pm
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Technically...
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Misto
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Nov 15 2012, 12:04pm
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Athiest
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imin
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Nov 16 2012, 12:43am
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I generally call myself an atheist, but,
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alienorchid
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Nov 17 2012, 7:42am
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I very very much object to 'Catholic' being separated from Christian... absolutely ridiculous lol..
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Xanaseb
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Nov 17 2012, 8:06pm
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Discussion about religion? In TORn? It's truly 2012.
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Faenoriel
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Nov 21 2012, 7:37pm
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In unrelated matters
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DanielLB
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Nov 21 2012, 9:05pm
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I've only just read all the other complements your had elsewhere on the forum.
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DanielLB
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Nov 21 2012, 9:25pm
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Here Tolkien explains why he left out cults and religions in Middle-earth
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burgahobbit
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Nov 23 2012, 7:45pm
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Needless to say
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burgahobbit
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Nov 23 2012, 7:48pm
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Yes, that's the exact right way to handle religious themes in your fiction. //
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Faenoriel
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Nov 27 2012, 5:23pm
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I don't choose religion as a means in and of itself...
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Eye's on Guard
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Nov 23 2012, 9:54pm
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"most school systems look down on faith"
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Kassandros
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Nov 27 2012, 6:49pm
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It depends entirely on the country
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Faenoriel
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Nov 27 2012, 7:20pm
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But aren't there more Christian schools in Europe?
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Kassandros
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Nov 27 2012, 7:49pm
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Religion in Middle-earth
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Fredeghar Wayfarer
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Nov 24 2012, 7:53am
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Tolkien was a huge Christian
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Nov 30 2012, 9:55am
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I thought he was fairly average-sized...
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FlyingSerkis
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Nov 30 2012, 5:57pm
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A devout Catholic to be specific.
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Kassandros
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Nov 30 2012, 6:59pm
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Lovely thread and great comments
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Aethelwyne Bolger
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Dec 18 2012, 2:45am
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I'm surprised
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sauget.diblosio
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Apr 3 2013, 10:08am
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