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True or false viviosns?

sador
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Nov 23 2012, 10:48am


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Perhaps visions of the future emphasize change, and those of us who witness the vision are charged with interpretation and then action. Especially if that view of the future is unsavoury does it prompt certain knowledgable characters to action. Here I cite your other example of prophecy: all the visions of the King returning to the Mountains are positive: the dragon is defeated, rivers of gold flow to Lake-town, yet no one is out actively looking for Thorin et al.


I see. But the first question is whether it is a true vision, or just a dream. How can one know that Boromir's vision of victory was just a deceit, but Legolas vision of Aragorn crowned (in The Riders of Rohan) was true? Well, the readers know - because they are guided by Tolkien; but how should the characters inside the story know? This is the sqame question Sam asks Frodo at Cirith Ungol.
And note that while Boromir's vision called for action, Legolas' did not.

In a way, I think the visions in The Lord of the Rings are more open to question than those in The Silmarillion, for instance - which I see as an advantage. It is so much more meaningful to us bewildered mortals, who do not receive any immediate divine guidance!


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When has a prophecy ever not been fulfilled?

In that case, is it a prophecy?

Howver, this s a question the bible already was concerned with - see Jer. ch. 28.


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When in a story has a character either done something or done nothing and yet the prophecy comes to pass?


Most character have no influence on the fulfilling of prophecies. I'm not sure I've understood your question correctly.

"As all things come to an end, even this story..."

Here we read of Bilbo, who is “quiet and drowsy”, that “every now and again he would open one eye” and listen to Gandalf’s tale. Is Tolkien deliberately echoing this passage in LOTR when he writes, “At that Bilbo opened an eye, almost as if he had heard … ‘You see, I am getting so sleepy’, he said.”?
- N.E. Brigand



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The Last Stage, part V - Prophecies and Providence sador Send a private message to sador Nov 20 2012, 7:33pm
    The Necromancer Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Nov 20 2012, 11:26pm
        In The Hobbit alone, you are right. sador Send a private message to sador Nov 22 2012, 3:53pm
            The name of the Necromancer FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Nov 24 2012, 5:43pm
                But I thought sador Send a private message to sador Nov 25 2012, 9:11am
                    That's the odd thing. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Nov 25 2012, 10:52am
    prophecy, providence and pforesight telain Send a private message to telain Nov 22 2012, 6:22pm
        True or false viviosns? sador Send a private message to sador Nov 23 2012, 10:48am
    Both no and yes... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Nov 24 2012, 5:13pm
        Thank you! sador Send a private message to sador Nov 25 2012, 9:52am
            Thank you for the excellent summary FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Nov 25 2012, 3:53pm
    Gandalf had a lotta splainin' to do! squire Send a private message to squire Dec 1 2012, 8:11pm
        The Hobbit a train wreck as a prequel to Lotr????????????? Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Dec 4 2012, 12:21am
    Thanks for a wonderful post! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Dec 3 2012, 9:15pm

 
 
 

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