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sador
Half-elven
Nov 23 2012, 10:48am
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Perhaps visions of the future emphasize change, and those of us who witness the vision are charged with interpretation and then action. Especially if that view of the future is unsavoury does it prompt certain knowledgable characters to action. Here I cite your other example of prophecy: all the visions of the King returning to the Mountains are positive: the dragon is defeated, rivers of gold flow to Lake-town, yet no one is out actively looking for Thorin et al.
I see. But the first question is whether it is a true vision, or just a dream. How can one know that Boromir's vision of victory was just a deceit, but Legolas vision of Aragorn crowned (in The Riders of Rohan) was true? Well, the readers know - because they are guided by Tolkien; but how should the characters inside the story know? This is the sqame question Sam asks Frodo at Cirith Ungol.
And note that while Boromir's vision called for action, Legolas' did not.
In a way, I think the visions in The Lord of the Rings are more open to question than those in The Silmarillion, for instance - which I see as an advantage. It is so much more meaningful to us bewildered mortals, who do not receive any immediate divine guidance!
When has a prophecy ever not been fulfilled? In that case, is it a prophecy?
Howver, this s a question the bible already was concerned with - see Jer. ch. 28.
When in a story has a character either done something or done nothing and yet the prophecy comes to pass?
Most character have no influence on the fulfilling of prophecies. I'm not sure I've understood your question correctly.
"As all things come to an end, even this story..."
Here we read of Bilbo, who is “quiet and drowsy”, that “every now and again he would open one eye” and listen to Gandalf’s tale. Is Tolkien deliberately echoing this passage in LOTR when he writes, “At that Bilbo opened an eye, almost as if he had heard … ‘You see, I am getting so sleepy’, he said.”?
- N.E. Brigand
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The Last Stage, part V - Prophecies and Providence
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sador
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Nov 20 2012, 7:33pm
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The Necromancer
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Nov 20 2012, 11:26pm
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In The Hobbit alone, you are right.
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sador
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Nov 22 2012, 3:53pm
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The name of the Necromancer
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FarFromHome
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Nov 24 2012, 5:43pm
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But I thought
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sador
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Nov 25 2012, 9:11am
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That's the odd thing.
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FarFromHome
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Nov 25 2012, 10:52am
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prophecy, providence and pforesight
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telain
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Nov 22 2012, 6:22pm
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True or false viviosns?
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sador
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Nov 23 2012, 10:48am
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Both no and yes...
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FarFromHome
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Nov 24 2012, 5:13pm
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Thank you!
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sador
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Nov 25 2012, 9:52am
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Thank you for the excellent summary
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FarFromHome
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Nov 25 2012, 3:53pm
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Gandalf had a lotta splainin' to do!
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squire
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Dec 1 2012, 8:11pm
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The Hobbit a train wreck as a prequel to Lotr?????????????
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Dec 4 2012, 12:21am
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Thanks for a wonderful post!
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Ardamírë
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Dec 3 2012, 9:15pm
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