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AinurOlorin
Half-elven
Nov 23 2012, 6:45am
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I never liked the details of Thror's murder, per se, but the overall story is AMAZING, from Thrain's Seven Days of maddened grieving, to the declaration of war, to The Great Battle, To Dain felling Azog only to behold, at the height of the Dwarven victory, the most dreaded nightmare figure of Dwarven Legend, The Balrog of Moria, and his words to Thrain after that horror, all the way to Thrain's increasing, Ring driven madness and the spooky, fireside ghost story worthy tale of the misadventures that lead him to Dol Guldur.
And, as I meant to say to Adamire, one of the most infuriating things is that the film team HAS the rights to this material!!! I can understand making alterations to material you don't have the rights to in order to involve suits. I have no problem with adding some speculative elements that are highly probable but not stated in the text, like Radagast being involved in the Council's plans against Dol Guldur, or there being fears of The Balrog attacking Lothlorien as there were fears of Smaug attacking Rivendell. . . but to take such a well developed, powerful story as that of Thorin's people and completely rework it without need is very troubling and needless.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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The Problem with Superflously Altering Azanulbizar and all that lead to it.
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 23 2012, 1:32am
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Appendices
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Ardamírë
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Nov 23 2012, 1:50am
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Agreed. That actually describes it very well, save that in some ways they have even tampered (it seems) withthe core structure. And its more than annoying
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 23 2012, 2:47am
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Excellent story
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Ardamírë
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Nov 23 2012, 5:16pm
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Which is incredibly frustrating
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DanielLB
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Nov 23 2012, 8:42am
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That's what I'm saying
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Ardamírë
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Nov 23 2012, 5:18pm
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I'm almost afraid to ask...
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Nov 23 2012, 3:07am
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There are lots of rumours based on comments by the film crew and in books
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 23 2012, 3:36am
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Why why why why??
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Nov 23 2012, 5:41am
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These are terrible changes indeed... I'm really really saddened by them...
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Xanaseb
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Nov 23 2012, 5:50am
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I know what you mean.
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 23 2012, 6:45am
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That's how I feel.
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Macfeast
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Nov 23 2012, 7:58am
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Well stated. I completely agree.
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 23 2012, 8:44am
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I don’t think the changes to the dwarven history will be as drastic as some fear.
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Bladerunner
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Nov 23 2012, 6:33am
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I hope you are right. N.T
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Nov 23 2012, 6:45am
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I also hope you are correct about some of this
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 23 2012, 6:49am
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Unfortunately it does... :-(
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Eleniel
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Nov 23 2012, 8:38am
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OK this Thrain being lost in Khazadum thing is really quite infuriating ...... sad face..
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Xanaseb
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Nov 23 2012, 9:23am
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If that is the only change
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Faenoriel
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Nov 23 2012, 4:40pm
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It's not a better story
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Fardragon
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Nov 23 2012, 5:01pm
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It is a MUCH better story.
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 23 2012, 6:49pm
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"goblins are not lions"
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Fardragon
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Nov 23 2012, 7:09pm
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Gandalf did say he pitied even Sauron's slaves.
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 23 2012, 7:40pm
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I am actually hoping the report I heard was wrong, but the quote
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 23 2012, 6:30pm
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Really?
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Fardragon
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Nov 23 2012, 7:48am
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Whatever would have been expected, it was justification, not excuse.
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 23 2012, 8:42am
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Thror did it deliberately.
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Fardragon
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Nov 23 2012, 8:49am
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Thror was half mad. His devestating circumstances and his Ring had driven him
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 23 2012, 9:24am
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They would have found some other excuse.
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Fardragon
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Nov 23 2012, 9:27am
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If the dwarves could have found another excuse for starting the war...
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Macfeast
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Nov 23 2012, 12:24pm
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I'm not sure it is quite as complicated as that.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 23 2012, 2:04pm
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True, that's a possibility.
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Macfeast
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Nov 23 2012, 2:28pm
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This is what I would imagine.
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Fardragon
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Nov 23 2012, 3:41pm
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That depends...
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Shagrat
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Nov 23 2012, 4:05pm
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Not me.
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Fardragon
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Nov 23 2012, 4:12pm
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I think most people with beloved family and friends would understand revenge quite well
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 23 2012, 6:24pm
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AO I hate to pause you mid flow but
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 23 2012, 7:51pm
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Just rumors
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Elessar
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Nov 23 2012, 11:34pm
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Thank goodness we'll know
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Ardamírë
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Nov 23 2012, 11:37pm
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Begging your pardon, but they didn't get Moria back, even though they won the battle. Goblins didn't drive The Dwarves from Moria. A Balrog did.
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 23 2012, 5:40pm
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PJ did originally film Sauron vs Aragorn in ROTK..
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irodino
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Nov 23 2012, 8:21am
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Here's another likely scenario both true to the book and what we have heard so far
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Jago M
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Nov 23 2012, 1:58pm
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Possible, but still not as good
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Faenoriel
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Nov 23 2012, 4:44pm
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