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I saw two shooting stars last night / I wished on them but they were only satellites

sador
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Nov 20 2012, 8:17pm


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I saw two shooting stars last night / I wished on them but they were only satellites [In reply to] Can't Post

It's good that you''re back. You were sorely missed.


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Though there are dates referred to elsewhere, such as Bilbo's birthday in Esgaroth and the special date needed to open the hidden door in Erebor. Even if they're not given as month-and-day dates, they are connected to calendars.


The brthday is - September 22nd. But that will only be mentioned in The Lord of the Rings.
Durin's Day is a purely astronomical date, not a point on the calendar; as is Midsummer's Eve.

Later, Tolkien made Midsummer a part of the Shire calendar - but that was because he decided that all sophisticated astronomical calendars must be ultimately derived from the Elves,
In The Hobbit, however, the impression is that the Elves follow a more 'natural' calendar, while the hobbits use the modern one, as the Shire is highly anachronistic and out-of-place in the world described.


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Gandalf doesn't seem to think that Vilya, as Ring of Air/Sky, would have warded off an aerial assault. Though Galadriel's river ring somehow kept the assaults from Dol Guldur from succeeding.


That's an interesting idea!
Although perhaps the topography would make Smaug expose himself. How would Glaurung fare, if he needed to go down to Teiglin? Even if he could fly.


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hobbits aren't usually given to bragging about themselves


Hobbits not bragging?
Exucse me, but I can't help myself.


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I was fifty one years when I wrote this song
I'm fifty two now, but I won't be for long
People ask when will you grow up to be a man
But all the girls I loved at school
Are already pushing prams

I don't want to change the world
I'm not looking for a new England
I'm just looking for another girl




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So we can rule out romantic, slow dancing.

See the Billy Bragg song quoted above.


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There's always a curmudgeon in joyous situations, isn't there?

Eyeore!


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Or, someone who has to pay the price for the prosperity of others.

Yes, that's what I thought.

I apologise for the above sillyness, Let's call it a night.






"As all things come to an end, even this story..."

Here we read of Bilbo, who is “quiet and drowsy”, that “every now and again he would open one eye” and listen to Gandalf’s tale. Is Tolkien deliberately echoing this passage in LOTR when he writes, “At that Bilbo opened an eye, almost as if he had heard … ‘You see, I am getting so sleepy’, he said.”?
- N.E. Brigand



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        An "elvish dream"? sador Send a private message to sador Nov 19 2012, 9:06am
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