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physical but invisible maybe

Elthir
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Nov 20 2012, 7:00pm


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I think the Nine were physical but invisible, and so I'm going to guess that Gandalf is essentially repeating his statement from earlier on (after the Nine were lost in the flood), meaning that even if Legolas had killed the Rider, he [the rider] could still come back at some later point because the One still existed, which meant Sauron still existed in enough potency.

I realize this might arguably 'take something away' from Eowyn's killing of the Lord of the Nazgul (that he could have returned had Sauron not been overthrown), but in a sense the wraiths were defeated at the ford, just not ultimately.

Merry stabs the Nazgul-lord in his unseen sinews... so he would appear to have sinews, and we know physical things can harm the wraiths. Thus (I think) arrows can harm them too, just not 'kill' them in the same sense as one can kill their steeds.

As for the blades perishing if they make contact, I'm not sure, but this could be with respect to the Witch-king and not the other eight -- actually at the moment I can't remember if this is made clear, but if I recall correctly, Aragorn, at least, is referring to the Lord of the Nazgul when he speaks to Frodo.

I realize they are called 'wraiths' but they were invisible (normally), and instilled unreasoning fear in things. I think that's plenty to have earned the term, even if they were yet unlike the Dead who followed Aragorn.

Subject User Time
Legolas in FOTR iandea14 Send a private message to iandea14 Nov 19 2012, 6:51am
    Gandalf says so sador Send a private message to sador Nov 19 2012, 7:40am
        How does Gandalf know this stuff? squire Send a private message to squire Nov 19 2012, 12:52pm
        TTT iandea14 Send a private message to iandea14 Nov 19 2012, 2:57pm
            Yes. Book III, ch. 5. // sador Send a private message to sador Nov 19 2012, 2:59pm
        Ugl˙k gets in on this too Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Nov 27 2012, 1:48pm
    slaying with arrows Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 19 2012, 7:01pm
        So they are semi-physical? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Nov 19 2012, 10:08pm
            physical but invisible maybe Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 20 2012, 7:00pm

 
 
 

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