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So they are semi-physical?


Nov 19 2012, 10:08pm

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So they are semi-physical? [In reply to] Can't Post

I think Gandalf was making the distinction between the beast (killable) and the Nazgul riding it (not killable). Calling it a "Winged Messenger" might be a bit confusing since Nazgul don't have wings (unlike balrogs), and it was just riding a winged beast.

As for killing or maiming Nazgul, my own guess is that an arrow wouldn't even stick to a Nazgul, so there would be no need to pluck it out, other than sticking to its clothing as a nuisance. When Frodo stabbed at the Nazgul on Weathertop, he only succeeded in ripping its clothing, and Aragorn says that if Frodo had connected with the wraith's "body," then his sword would be gone, since all blades perish that strike those deathless creatures. (Except the Barrow-blades, of course, but no one seemed to know that.) Which makes me think an arrow would perish also.

You raise a thorny point, since the Nazgul were somehow robbed of their corporeal bodies by the Bruinen flood. Was it just the water, or Elrond and Gandalf's power in the water that made them mostly harmless ghosts until Sauron put them back together again? What happens if they fall off of the top of Barad-dur--do they lose their bodies, or get up and dust themselves off? The rules aren't clear how you can rob them of their physical form without killing them.

Subject User Time
Legolas in FOTR iandea14 Send a private message to iandea14 Nov 19 2012, 6:51am
    Gandalf says so sador Send a private message to sador Nov 19 2012, 7:40am
        How does Gandalf know this stuff? squire Send a private message to squire Nov 19 2012, 12:52pm
        TTT iandea14 Send a private message to iandea14 Nov 19 2012, 2:57pm
            Yes. Book III, ch. 5. // sador Send a private message to sador Nov 19 2012, 2:59pm
        Ugl˙k gets in on this too Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Nov 27 2012, 1:48pm
    slaying with arrows Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 19 2012, 7:01pm
        So they are semi-physical? CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Nov 19 2012, 10:08pm
            physical but invisible maybe Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 20 2012, 7:00pm


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