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As you see,

GoodGuyA
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Nov 15 2012, 5:05pm


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People are calling you out on this assertion Wink

You said before that you wished PJ had made Wormtongue more subtle in the films, but what would that have accomplished? He has only a major role in one chapter and then brief appearances in two others. Exactly what purpose are we to infer from the character if he's just tossed aside? In fact, his "arc" so to speak is almost like a mirror of Gollum's and in the end he just fulfills a role that would have otherwise been uninteresting. As I've said, I think there is a great deal of subtlety in the physical acting, but making him seem just amoral is going against the purpose of the character. Tolkien created a swayed man in the midst of Rohan who everyone could see, but no one could stop because he was the the behest of the king. Clearly he was evil with no real intentions except serving his master, given that he enacted nefarious schemes that seemed to be traced to him extremely easily. Again, what would we gain from "masterful" subtlety with this particular character, especially when you've complained about not every character needing to be complex?

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SCOD - The words of a snake FlyingSerkis Send a private message to FlyingSerkis Nov 14 2012, 5:56pm
    Brad Dourif is amazing in this scene. I love his delivery of "I told you to take the Wizard's staff!" thomasofrohan Send a private message to thomasofrohan Nov 14 2012, 6:00pm
    Music starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 14 2012, 6:15pm
        IMO, that's the problem with it Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 14 2012, 8:20pm
            "More subtle" is not necessarily "better" thomasofrohan Send a private message to thomasofrohan Nov 14 2012, 10:18pm
                Its a matter of taste Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 14 2012, 11:19pm
            But how many people actually notice something like that? starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 14 2012, 11:53pm
                Most people I have spoken with Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 15 2012, 4:43am
                    That's not the point I was trying to make starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 15 2012, 6:32am
                        Got it Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 15 2012, 6:46am
                    But was Tolkien really subtle himself? // macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 15 2012, 2:02pm
                        Depends on what you mean by subtle Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 15 2012, 6:51pm
                            I love a good bad guy design! starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 15 2012, 7:59pm
                                What do I expect from PJ? Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 15 2012, 8:22pm
                                    Well hope that the dim witted audience members ForestPark Nov 22 2012, 2:22am
                    As you see, GoodGuyA Send a private message to GoodGuyA Nov 15 2012, 5:05pm
            What's subtlety got to do with it? FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Nov 15 2012, 9:39am
        The bit of music I'm talking about, which plays over this, is not in 5/4 FlyingSerkis Send a private message to FlyingSerkis Nov 15 2012, 1:06pm
    Great choice, thanks! Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Nov 14 2012, 6:15pm
    Do I dare to put in my two cents? :P zarabia Send a private message to zarabia Nov 16 2012, 7:00am
        Movie Demographics like LOTR need to appeal to a Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Nov 16 2012, 2:16pm
    Meant to say this earlier, One Ringer Send a private message to One Ringer Nov 21 2012, 1:14pm

 
 
 

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