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Kangi Ska
Half-elven
Nov 14 2012, 9:42pm
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Azanulbizar is very importantant for an understanding of the
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hatred between the Dwarves (Especially Thorin's line) and the Goblin/Orcs. It also sets up the Azog/Bolg thing and introduces Dain, Thorin and a few others.
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There will be an Azanulbizar prologue in "An Unexpected Journey".
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 14 2012, 9:17pm
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Either its that, or Smaug's assault on Erebor
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 9:19pm
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I was expecting an official confirmation - or at least something from a "source"
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thomasofrohan
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Nov 14 2012, 9:25pm
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The film hasn't been locked down yet
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DanielLB
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Nov 14 2012, 9:29pm
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Are you a source? //
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 14 2012, 9:34pm
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Really?
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Arthael
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Nov 14 2012, 10:34pm
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I am a source!
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 14 2012, 9:33pm
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A flying source! The day Middle-earth stands still is upon us! //
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Plurmo
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Nov 16 2012, 2:19am
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I believe there is no better place for Azanulbizar
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Apatcha
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Nov 14 2012, 9:25pm
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I have thought this would be the case since the beginning.
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 14 2012, 9:32pm
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Are we sure Azanulbizar is even in the films?
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Ardamírë
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Nov 14 2012, 9:30pm
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If it's brief, and fleshes out the Azog/Bolg vs Durin's line history of vengeance
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 9:32pm
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Like I said, it's fine
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Ardamírë
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Nov 14 2012, 9:35pm
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Understood
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 9:37pm
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Because...
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Ardamírë
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Nov 14 2012, 9:44pm
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If done right, I think showing Azanulbizar could make the conflict feel more personal and thus more interesting than "everyone hates orcs anyway"
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thomasofrohan
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Nov 14 2012, 9:49pm
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Agreed.
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Macfeast
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Nov 14 2012, 10:41pm
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Great points all around
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 10:46pm
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If Pj is as subtle as that
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 14 2012, 10:56pm
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Perhaps the failures that were King Kong and Lovely Bones
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 11:11pm
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Strange thing is
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 14 2012, 11:26pm
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Or alternatively
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 14 2012, 11:29pm
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A matter of opinion, of course
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 14 2012, 11:34pm
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Ah shot A is deemed to be X
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 14 2012, 11:41pm
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Until we see the films
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 14 2012, 11:53pm
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Or if you are the sort of person
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 14 2012, 11:56pm
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I would reckon
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 15 2012, 12:03am
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The angle of the horse leg kick was wrong?
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 15 2012, 12:32am
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Cheap shot
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 15 2012, 12:45am
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There are MOMENTS entirely about spectacle
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starlesswinter
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Nov 15 2012, 12:57am
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It all comes down to
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 15 2012, 1:15am
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Immersed
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Elessar
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Nov 15 2012, 1:20am
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Or ...
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 15 2012, 1:26am
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POV
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Elessar
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Nov 15 2012, 2:05am
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With a good imagination...
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totoro
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Nov 15 2012, 2:45am
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I dont think I lack an imagination
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 15 2012, 7:27am
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lol nt
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totoro
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Nov 16 2012, 9:07am
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Great example.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 15 2012, 7:39am
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My own take
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 15 2012, 8:02am
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Middle-Earth feels "real" to you?
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Beutlin
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Nov 15 2012, 12:54pm
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Yes, it does
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 15 2012, 2:48pm
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Not to mention that this "feigned" history
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 15 2012, 7:57pm
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It is a brilliant fictional mythology. But it is not history.
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Beutlin
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Nov 16 2012, 1:23am
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Literary criticism of LOTR seems to be changing
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 15 2012, 4:59pm
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Oh, I am not arguing that reception of Tolkien's works will never change.
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Beutlin
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Nov 16 2012, 1:41am
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POV 2
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Elessar
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Nov 15 2012, 1:52pm
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Absolutely
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 15 2012, 4:09pm
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Exactly....
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adnan
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Nov 15 2012, 8:47pm
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Heavenly Creatures, yes
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 11:35pm
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She knows Tolkien??
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ElendilTheShort
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Nov 15 2012, 7:42am
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Knowing Tolkien
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starlesswinter
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Nov 15 2012, 7:48pm
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Fran is by far the most intelligent writer
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starlesswinter
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Nov 15 2012, 12:04am
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I also get that sense
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 15 2012, 4:40am
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Well
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starlesswinter
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Nov 15 2012, 6:47am
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If TT had been better...
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 15 2012, 7:31am
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King Kong was not a box office failure though.
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Carne
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Nov 14 2012, 11:40pm
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And
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Lusitano
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Nov 14 2012, 10:57pm
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Agreed thats great stuff
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 14 2012, 11:03pm
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Absolutely...
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adnan
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Nov 15 2012, 8:36pm
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Sure...
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Fardragon
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Nov 15 2012, 8:38pm
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I dont think PJ likes coincidences in a story but he loves action sequences, That all very fine with me.
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Dlanor da Great
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Nov 14 2012, 10:41pm
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It's in.
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Fardragon
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Nov 14 2012, 9:32pm
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Curious
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 9:33pm
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Pointless padding
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Fardragon
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Nov 14 2012, 9:35pm
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Azanulbizar is very importantant for an understanding of the
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 14 2012, 9:42pm
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Everyone hates orcs
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Fardragon
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Nov 14 2012, 9:45pm
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But it's a lot more cinematically interesting
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 10:01pm
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Agreed!
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Tim
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Nov 14 2012, 10:30pm
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Not really, all orcs are the same
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Fardragon
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Nov 15 2012, 8:33am
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If all orcs are the same
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Aitieuriskon
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Nov 15 2012, 3:02pm
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All orcs aren't the same but...
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Sinister71
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Nov 15 2012, 3:25pm
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I agree
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Aitieuriskon
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Nov 15 2012, 3:35pm
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But none of that is needed
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Ardamírë
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Nov 14 2012, 9:47pm
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I think I remember that interview
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Ardamírë
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Nov 14 2012, 9:36pm
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It the one where he talks about playing a younger Thorin
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Fardragon
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Nov 14 2012, 9:38pm
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Plus in Vlog, we see Thorin
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Fŕfnir
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Nov 14 2012, 9:41pm
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Yup, the BO5A isn't filmed until next year. /
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DanielLB
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Nov 14 2012, 9:42pm
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Also, we know from the Official Movie Gude (and perhaps elsewhere)
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Nov 14 2012, 11:30pm
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Im also unsure about this
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 14 2012, 9:47pm
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This is a fear I have as well
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 10:04pm
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Good point
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Ardamírë
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Nov 14 2012, 10:05pm
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Got to admit
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 14 2012, 10:09pm
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That's because it's not very interesting!
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Fardragon
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Nov 15 2012, 8:24am
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And the Battle of the Last Alliance...
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Macfeast
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Nov 15 2012, 12:05pm
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Thoughts based on music...
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Shagrat
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Nov 15 2012, 12:11pm
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Sure, you can make a battle interesting by focusing on details
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Fardragon
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Nov 15 2012, 3:35pm
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The story can absolutely do without these details
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Macfeast
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Nov 15 2012, 3:45pm
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I don't see it enriching the films "a great deal"
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Fardragon
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Nov 15 2012, 4:16pm
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Fortunately for many of us
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Lusitano
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Nov 15 2012, 4:52pm
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Response.
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Fardragon
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Nov 15 2012, 6:26pm
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Fardragon, you surprise me
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 15 2012, 6:30pm
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1 No, since the decision was made on a base of creativity and lack
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Lusitano
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Nov 15 2012, 6:41pm
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Most definitely!
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Fardragon
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Nov 15 2012, 8:17pm
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Studio
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dave_lf
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Nov 15 2012, 8:22pm
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Cheesy?
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 15 2012, 8:25pm
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Cheese free!
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Tim
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Nov 15 2012, 8:27pm
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The last alliance scene stank of so much cheese
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Fardragon
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Nov 15 2012, 8:31pm
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But there was a lot more to the prologue
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 15 2012, 8:34pm
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Was there?
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Fardragon
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Nov 15 2012, 8:35pm
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Clearly
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Lusitano
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Nov 16 2012, 1:03am
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Padding is padding
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starlesswinter
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Nov 15 2012, 7:46pm
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That's your definition of padding
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 16 2012, 6:16am
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verisimilitude?
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Fardragon
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Nov 16 2012, 8:36am
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Verisimilitude
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totoro
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Nov 16 2012, 9:42am
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Who decided that films can't be about truth?
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 16 2012, 11:25pm
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The audience!
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Fardragon
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Nov 17 2012, 8:59am
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You seem rather nearsighted.
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 17 2012, 7:37pm
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This is what I mean by elitist:
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Fardragon
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Nov 18 2012, 8:38am
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You say your an elitist
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 19 2012, 3:39am
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You fight like a cow!
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Fardragon
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Nov 19 2012, 7:48am
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Fight?
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 19 2012, 3:13pm
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What is good for the goose is good for the gander
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Elessar
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Nov 16 2012, 1:59pm
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Every author is guilty of padding
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starlesswinter
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Nov 16 2012, 11:02pm
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Of course films have time to indulge
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 16 2012, 11:27pm
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Well, yes, but not as much as a book
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starlesswinter
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Nov 16 2012, 11:35pm
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Agreed
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 16 2012, 11:42pm
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Really? I feel that the atmosphere is one thing he got right.
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starlesswinter
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Nov 16 2012, 11:53pm
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The more complex the source material
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Fardragon
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Nov 17 2012, 3:03pm
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Really?
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starlesswinter
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Nov 17 2012, 7:21pm
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The Prizoner of Azkaban stands out.
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 17 2012, 7:40pm
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Agreed
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starlesswinter
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Nov 17 2012, 9:06pm
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Agreed 100%
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 17 2012, 9:07pm
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Although I am very much a Peter Jackson fan
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starlesswinter
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Nov 17 2012, 9:25pm
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During the speculation about who would direct
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 17 2012, 10:21pm
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He was my first pick when Del Toro left. //
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 18 2012, 2:21am
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It pains me to think
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 18 2012, 6:44am
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Jackson or Spielberg
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Elessar
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Nov 18 2012, 7:29am
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Spielberg & Tolkien?!
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Fardragon
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Nov 18 2012, 8:36am
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Absolutely
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Elessar
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Nov 18 2012, 3:56pm
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Have to agree with Fardragon here
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 18 2012, 7:11pm
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I believe Spielberg has already turned down Star Wars
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starlesswinter
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Nov 18 2012, 8:06pm
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A few have hedged
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Fardragon
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Nov 18 2012, 9:55pm
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I've seen them all many times
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Fardragon
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Nov 18 2012, 8:28am
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Actually I would have to agree with SA
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 18 2012, 4:39pm
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Thanks for the armchair psychology, but no
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 18 2012, 7:08pm
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Not so for me
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starlesswinter
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Nov 18 2012, 8:05pm
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Yup
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 18 2012, 8:16pm
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Meat on the bone
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Elessar
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Nov 15 2012, 4:42pm
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By the way.
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Macfeast
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Nov 17 2012, 2:48am
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Apart from the Spanish conquistadoresque helmets of the dwarves
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 17 2012, 2:51am
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Character Arcs are actually a good thing.
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Elutherian
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Nov 14 2012, 10:08pm
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That depends on the need for an arc
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pettytyrant101
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Nov 14 2012, 10:27pm
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Yes, yes
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 10:34pm
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Agreed.//
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Owain
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Nov 16 2012, 5:43am
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Maybe the last notes of "A good Omen"...
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Fŕfnir
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Nov 14 2012, 9:35pm
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But
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dave_lf
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Nov 14 2012, 9:53pm
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Now we have 3 films it's extremely likely
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sycorax82
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Nov 14 2012, 9:39pm
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3 "Prologues" sprinkled throughtout the first half?
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Arthael
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Nov 14 2012, 10:53pm
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I think there is a good chance that we will glimpse The Balrog as well.
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 15 2012, 7:42am
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The Balrog = An Ancient Enemy?
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Shagrat
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Nov 15 2012, 9:54am
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OK, just had a thought, although I know Shore's -much- better than this..
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Xanaseb
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Nov 15 2012, 11:31am
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Neither Balrog nor Smaug is the "Ancient Enemy" (potential spoilers)
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Nov 15 2012, 12:16pm
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'An Ancient Enemy'
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Shagrat
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Nov 15 2012, 1:03pm
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Yes and no (spoilers)
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Nov 15 2012, 1:15pm
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The Balrog AND the Battle of Anazar-thingy (always spell it wrong)?...Awesome!
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malickfan
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Nov 15 2012, 3:26pm
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Please no Balrog
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Ardamírë
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Nov 15 2012, 3:32pm
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The Balrog is, in some ways, the most directly significant figure in Third Age Dwarven history.
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 16 2012, 12:38am
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I'm pretty sure
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Ardamírë
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Nov 16 2012, 12:59am
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I am half with you.
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 16 2012, 1:13am
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Malfeasance...
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Tim
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Nov 16 2012, 5:39am
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Lol. Why thank you, sir.
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 16 2012, 8:26am
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