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ElendilTheShort
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Nov 10 2012, 3:36am
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In the book Aragorn is a main character
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and he changes very little, if at all. However our perception of him as readers changes during the course of the story by means of what we see of him through others eyes and their words to him. He goes from being a character of suspicion to a trusted ranger to a noble king...in our perception, without significantly changing as a person during that time. Tolkien is masterful at giving us glimpses and clues about Aragorn. Examples are 1) at Rivendell standing with Elrond and Arwen 2) when he is waiting to leave Rivendell with the Felllowship and he is sitting with his head between his knees and it is noted that "only Elrond fully understood what this hour meant to him" 3) on Cerin Amroth deep in thought 4) Galadriels words to him at their parting from Lorien. There are of course many more examples but I am not interested in writing an essay on this. We find out so much about him from these moments and he is not changing, and I personally find this less predictable, more enjoyable and better story telling than the "personal growth story formula". So Aragorn is noble at the beginning of the story and retains that nobility without compromise throughout the story to it's conclusion, it is just that this situation is revealed to us in generally subtle degrees. The most powerful exhibition of his nobility of character in my opinion is his declaration to Eomer when they meet, you can imagine my dissapointment at what resulted in the movie.
Faramirs change in the movie weakened the One Rings potency, he knew what it was, after his men cruelly tortured Gollum, craved it and rejected it thereby reducing it's potency. In the book he was uninformed on the matter for the main duration of Frodo and Sams capture, never sighted it, was not in a real position to be tempted by it and therefore was never really trialled as he was in the movie. If he had been trialled and subsequently tempted then he would have fallen as others had, therfore the One Ring in the book remains more potent. Sir PJ created a situation in the movie to put temptation in Faramirs way by means of an obvious and dire need (Ranger #4.....shorty, Osgiliath is under attack, there is a troop of Girl Guides there that won't leave until our forces there buy all of their cookies, they need reinforcements (or something to that effect)).
FYI the trilogy are some of my very favourite movies, and probably my favourite series of movies, and certainly the one I find the most emotionally powerful. Well short of the books, but still very good.
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Can someone explain to me this need for every character to be lordly and proper all the time?
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starlesswinter
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Nov 8 2012, 7:09am
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This might be moved over to the board for the trilogy, as it seems to be more relevant to those films
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MatthewJer18
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Nov 8 2012, 7:14am
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Completely Agree on this!
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Elutherian
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Nov 8 2012, 7:50am
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Film Gimli is nothing like his book self
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DanielLB
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Nov 8 2012, 8:11am
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If you prefer
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ElendilTheShort
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Nov 8 2012, 8:27am
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Aragorn is the perfect example of a character who had no need
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ElendilTheShort
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Nov 8 2012, 8:58am
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It's not a formulaic cliche - it's what storytelling/character is entirely about
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starlesswinter
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Nov 8 2012, 7:56pm
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What people tend to forget about LotR
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GoodGuyA
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Nov 8 2012, 11:13pm
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will and self-mastery and maybe ...
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Escapist
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Nov 8 2012, 11:29pm
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I think what all this boils down to...
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starlesswinter
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Nov 10 2012, 6:28pm
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LOTR
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ElendilTheShort
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Nov 10 2012, 6:51pm
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LOTR in no way resembles your life?
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Magpie
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Nov 10 2012, 7:09pm
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Magpie after Moving to the Shire in my Mind's Eye
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Bombadil
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Nov 10 2012, 8:57pm
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When a friend I made in Tolkien died unexpectedly...
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Magpie
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Nov 10 2012, 9:54pm
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Magpie! ...Goldberry will be waiting to Meet you..
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Bombadil
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Nov 11 2012, 1:28am
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for you...
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Magpie
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Nov 11 2012, 1:37am
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A wonderful post
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 11 2012, 2:06am
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I'm sure MANY would disagree that he removed the mundane parts
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starlesswinter
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Nov 10 2012, 7:31pm
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Magpie
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ElendilTheShort
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Nov 10 2012, 8:04pm
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aha!
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Magpie
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Nov 10 2012, 8:48pm
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Of course it is formulaic cliche
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ElendilTheShort
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Nov 8 2012, 11:56pm
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Not every character has to, but it's important that the main characters do
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starlesswinter
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Nov 10 2012, 1:06am
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In the book Aragorn is a main character
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ElendilTheShort
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Nov 10 2012, 3:36am
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Aragorn
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macfalk
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Nov 10 2012, 10:18am
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Your opinion
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ElendilTheShort
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Nov 10 2012, 5:51pm
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RE: Aragorn and Faramir
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starlesswinter
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Nov 10 2012, 6:57pm
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Exactly
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macfalk
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Nov 11 2012, 12:26pm
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I understand your opinion
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 11 2012, 5:43pm
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Nobody here used those words
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starlesswinter
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Nov 11 2012, 6:57pm
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starless
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ElendilTheShort
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Nov 11 2012, 7:42pm
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Re: change
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starlesswinter
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Nov 12 2012, 2:19am
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But too many character arcs in an ensemble
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 12 2012, 3:05am
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True, but...
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starlesswinter
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Nov 12 2012, 3:28am
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Agreed
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 12 2012, 3:59am
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I'm not insulted at all
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 11 2012, 8:19pm
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Sorry, I did not mean to come across that way
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starlesswinter
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Nov 12 2012, 2:13am
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No worries - it didn't bother me at all! {NT}
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 12 2012, 2:14am
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You can't be talking about me surely
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ElendilTheShort
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Nov 11 2012, 6:47pm
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I wasn't calling you it specifically
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macfalk
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Nov 11 2012, 9:39pm
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Then again...
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macfalk
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Nov 8 2012, 9:00am
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Aragorn is a better man than the Mouth
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ElendilTheShort
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Nov 8 2012, 9:19am
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Good point about Beregond.
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Macfeast
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Nov 8 2012, 1:21pm
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Gimli isnt too bad in FOTR
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imin
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Nov 8 2012, 2:34pm
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Well put imin
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DanielLB
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Nov 8 2012, 3:22pm
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I only remember Gimli burping once...
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Elutherian
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Nov 11 2012, 3:34am
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as regards Gimli
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Elenorflower
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Nov 8 2012, 5:28pm
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This is something that gets at me too
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GoodGuyA
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Nov 8 2012, 6:03pm
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Amen
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starlesswinter
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Nov 8 2012, 8:09pm
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why not create something original then?
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Sinister71
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Nov 8 2012, 9:54pm
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Because you can love something and not think EVERYTHING is well done
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starlesswinter
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Nov 10 2012, 1:25am
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All or nothing at all
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dreamflower
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Nov 9 2012, 4:49pm
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I don't think
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GothmogTheBalrog
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Nov 9 2012, 4:56pm
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"I meant to do that."
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acheron
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Nov 9 2012, 5:02pm
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Calvin & Hobbes?
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Bombadil
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Nov 9 2012, 10:02pm
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Fanon I like that... LOL
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Sinister71
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Nov 9 2012, 10:03pm
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RE: Gandalf and Bree
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starlesswinter
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Nov 10 2012, 1:12am
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Re: Gandalf and Bree
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dreamflower
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Nov 10 2012, 2:22am
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Re: Time
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starlesswinter
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Nov 10 2012, 7:03pm
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But he did not have Shadowfax when he left the Shire
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dreamflower
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Nov 10 2012, 8:29pm
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Honestly I don't think it's something most people even notice
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starlesswinter
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Nov 10 2012, 11:42pm
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Probably not. But I did.
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dreamflower
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Nov 11 2012, 5:05am
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