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why not create something original then?

Sinister71
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Nov 8 2012, 9:54pm


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Exactly. That's actually what I think purists forget when they watch the films. Is it not better to base an adaptation around key emotional beats and important decisions/conflicts with real heart and depth than it is to have everything included? Too often book-to-film adaptations become a case in which fans go the theatre with a personal checklist of "Things From the Book." A film is supposed to be an experience of emotion, not an I-Spy game.

If this is the case Why take a book dissect it and change characters and events of something that is loved by many people. IMO anyways having a bit of reverence for the source material and just making minor tweaks to it would be a better adaptation instead of outright changes. If the story they are adapting isn't the story they want to tell maybe they should think about writing an original script instead of taking someones life's work, hacking it up, to create a tale that while similar does not have the same feel and tone of the source material. When I see a film based on a book i expect to see the elements of that book on the screen not as an I-spy but as the way the story unfolds in the book that I love. The situations that I cared about when reading the tale. Not some made up nonsense that while might be entertaining to the general movie going audience its not what was in the source material and is just fan fiction forced into a story where it really has no place. Whats the use in changing things just for the sake of changing them if you aren't getting the tone, feel, and character correct in what you are supposedly adapting? If you feel the need to change what was written because it wasn't good enough to work on film, write something original have a bit of respect for the author who wrote the book, and leave it alone. Instead of worrying about lining your pocket on something based on a great literary work of art. I wouldn't say I am a purist but someone who thinks minor tweaking is good or small variations are ok but total changes from character and tone should never be done when you are calling something an adaptation, Based on is a whole different issue but they weren't claiming LOTR was "based on" JRR Tolkien's book they were portraying it as a faithful adaptation
. Which was close but it could have been closer and still been entertaining and successful


LOTR was a great set of films flawed in many places. When Peter Jackson stuck to what Tolkien wrote they were fantastic films but when he made up his own content for the sake of being entertaining or humorous they fell way short IMO of the rest of the films. Had he stuck to the books with minor tweaking I think they would have been much better adaptations and been just as successful.


(This post was edited by sinister71 on Nov 8 2012, 10:01pm)

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Can someone explain to me this need for every character to be lordly and proper all the time? starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 8 2012, 7:09am
    This might be moved over to the board for the trilogy, as it seems to be more relevant to those films MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Nov 8 2012, 7:14am
    Completely Agree on this! Elutherian Send a private message to Elutherian Nov 8 2012, 7:50am
        Film Gimli is nothing like his book self DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 8 2012, 8:11am
    If you prefer ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 8 2012, 8:27am
        Aragorn is the perfect example of a character who had no need ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 8 2012, 8:58am
            It's not a formulaic cliche - it's what storytelling/character is entirely about starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 8 2012, 7:56pm
                What people tend to forget about LotR GoodGuyA Send a private message to GoodGuyA Nov 8 2012, 11:13pm
                    will and self-mastery and maybe ... Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Nov 8 2012, 11:29pm
                        I think what all this boils down to... starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 6:28pm
                            LOTR ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 10 2012, 6:51pm
                                LOTR in no way resembles your life? Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 10 2012, 7:09pm
                                    Magpie after Moving to the Shire in my Mind's Eye Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Nov 10 2012, 8:57pm
                                        When a friend I made in Tolkien died unexpectedly... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 10 2012, 9:54pm
                                            Magpie! ...Goldberry will be waiting to Meet you.. Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Nov 11 2012, 1:28am
                                                for you... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 11 2012, 1:37am
                                            A wonderful post Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 11 2012, 2:06am
                                I'm sure MANY would disagree that he removed the mundane parts starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 7:31pm
                                    Magpie ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 10 2012, 8:04pm
                                        aha! Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 10 2012, 8:48pm
                Of course it is formulaic cliche ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 8 2012, 11:56pm
                    Not every character has to, but it's important that the main characters do starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 1:06am
                        In the book Aragorn is a main character ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 10 2012, 3:36am
                            Aragorn macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 10 2012, 10:18am
                                Your opinion ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 10 2012, 5:51pm
                            RE: Aragorn and Faramir starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 6:57pm
                                Exactly macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 11 2012, 12:26pm
                                    I understand your opinion Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 11 2012, 5:43pm
                                        Nobody here used those words starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 11 2012, 6:57pm
                                            starless ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 11 2012, 7:42pm
                                                Re: change starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 12 2012, 2:19am
                                                    But too many character arcs in an ensemble Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 12 2012, 3:05am
                                                        True, but... starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 12 2012, 3:28am
                                                            Agreed Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 12 2012, 3:59am
                                            I'm not insulted at all Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 11 2012, 8:19pm
                                                Sorry, I did not mean to come across that way starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 12 2012, 2:13am
                                                    No worries - it didn't bother me at all! {NT} Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 12 2012, 2:14am
                                    You can't be talking about me surely ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 11 2012, 6:47pm
                                        I wasn't calling you it specifically macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 11 2012, 9:39pm
        Then again... macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 8 2012, 9:00am
            Aragorn is a better man than the Mouth ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 8 2012, 9:19am
                Good point about Beregond. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Nov 8 2012, 1:21pm
    Gimli isnt too bad in FOTR imin Send a private message to imin Nov 8 2012, 2:34pm
        Well put imin DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 8 2012, 3:22pm
        I only remember Gimli burping once... Elutherian Send a private message to Elutherian Nov 11 2012, 3:34am
    as regards Gimli Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Nov 8 2012, 5:28pm
    This is something that gets at me too GoodGuyA Send a private message to GoodGuyA Nov 8 2012, 6:03pm
        Amen starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 8 2012, 8:09pm
            why not create something original then? Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Nov 8 2012, 9:54pm
                Because you can love something and not think EVERYTHING is well done starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 1:25am
    All or nothing at all dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Nov 9 2012, 4:49pm
        I don't think GothmogTheBalrog Send a private message to GothmogTheBalrog Nov 9 2012, 4:56pm
            "I meant to do that." acheron Send a private message to acheron Nov 9 2012, 5:02pm
                Calvin & Hobbes? Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Nov 9 2012, 10:02pm
        Fanon I like that... LOL Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Nov 9 2012, 10:03pm
        RE: Gandalf and Bree starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 1:12am
            Re: Gandalf and Bree dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Nov 10 2012, 2:22am
                Re: Time starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 7:03pm
                    But he did not have Shadowfax when he left the Shire dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Nov 10 2012, 8:29pm
                        Honestly I don't think it's something most people even notice starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 11:42pm
                            Probably not. But I did. dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Nov 11 2012, 5:05am

 
 
 

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