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Aragorn is the perfect example of a character who had no need

ElendilTheShort
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Nov 8 2012, 8:58am


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of a journey of self discovery/enlightenment/improvemnet/change during the course of the story, and his was probably the greatest in the movies. He is 87 years old, in the book he has been preparing for his ascension as the High King of Gondor & Arnor nearly all of his life. This was only going to happen by addressing the growing threat of Sauron, the means were never clear but it was his doom to do so. So why should he significantly change in the months that the main body of the story represents? In the book he makes mistakes by his own estimation, although others may not call them such.

What is better, his meek greeting to Eomer in the movies, or his noble declaration and bold statement of intent in the book. The former just makes me think that the upcoming shot where Guthwine falls out of Eomers scabbard is more entertaining, and the latter sends goosebumps down my spine every time.

Growth and the place of the everyman (and woman) in these great events is meant to be represented according to Tolkien by the hobbits, in particular Frodo, and it is a painful irony that in the movies it is his character that changes the least, if at all.

People are bound to trot out the line that characters like Aragorn are more interseting if they expereince growth, personal conflict etc etc, I find this to be so far from the truth, and I find it to be a formulaic movie making cliche. This does not mean that I cannot see how others do not enjoy it or think any less or their right to enjoy it.

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Can someone explain to me this need for every character to be lordly and proper all the time? starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 8 2012, 7:09am
    This might be moved over to the board for the trilogy, as it seems to be more relevant to those films MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 Nov 8 2012, 7:14am
    Completely Agree on this! Elutherian Send a private message to Elutherian Nov 8 2012, 7:50am
        Film Gimli is nothing like his book self DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 8 2012, 8:11am
    If you prefer ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 8 2012, 8:27am
        Aragorn is the perfect example of a character who had no need ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 8 2012, 8:58am
            It's not a formulaic cliche - it's what storytelling/character is entirely about starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 8 2012, 7:56pm
                What people tend to forget about LotR GoodGuyA Send a private message to GoodGuyA Nov 8 2012, 11:13pm
                    will and self-mastery and maybe ... Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Nov 8 2012, 11:29pm
                        I think what all this boils down to... starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 6:28pm
                            LOTR ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 10 2012, 6:51pm
                                LOTR in no way resembles your life? Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 10 2012, 7:09pm
                                    Magpie after Moving to the Shire in my Mind's Eye Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Nov 10 2012, 8:57pm
                                        When a friend I made in Tolkien died unexpectedly... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 10 2012, 9:54pm
                                            Magpie! ...Goldberry will be waiting to Meet you.. Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Nov 11 2012, 1:28am
                                                for you... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 11 2012, 1:37am
                                            A wonderful post Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 11 2012, 2:06am
                                I'm sure MANY would disagree that he removed the mundane parts starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 7:31pm
                                    Magpie ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 10 2012, 8:04pm
                                        aha! Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 10 2012, 8:48pm
                Of course it is formulaic cliche ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 8 2012, 11:56pm
                    Not every character has to, but it's important that the main characters do starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 1:06am
                        In the book Aragorn is a main character ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 10 2012, 3:36am
                            Aragorn macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 10 2012, 10:18am
                                Your opinion ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 10 2012, 5:51pm
                            RE: Aragorn and Faramir starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 6:57pm
                                Exactly macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 11 2012, 12:26pm
                                    I understand your opinion Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 11 2012, 5:43pm
                                        Nobody here used those words starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 11 2012, 6:57pm
                                            starless ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 11 2012, 7:42pm
                                                Re: change starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 12 2012, 2:19am
                                                    But too many character arcs in an ensemble Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 12 2012, 3:05am
                                                        True, but... starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 12 2012, 3:28am
                                                            Agreed Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 12 2012, 3:59am
                                            I'm not insulted at all Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 11 2012, 8:19pm
                                                Sorry, I did not mean to come across that way starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 12 2012, 2:13am
                                                    No worries - it didn't bother me at all! {NT} Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Nov 12 2012, 2:14am
                                    You can't be talking about me surely ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 11 2012, 6:47pm
                                        I wasn't calling you it specifically macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 11 2012, 9:39pm
        Then again... macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Nov 8 2012, 9:00am
            Aragorn is a better man than the Mouth ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 8 2012, 9:19am
                Good point about Beregond. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Nov 8 2012, 1:21pm
    Gimli isnt too bad in FOTR imin Send a private message to imin Nov 8 2012, 2:34pm
        Well put imin DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 8 2012, 3:22pm
        I only remember Gimli burping once... Elutherian Send a private message to Elutherian Nov 11 2012, 3:34am
    as regards Gimli Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Nov 8 2012, 5:28pm
    This is something that gets at me too GoodGuyA Send a private message to GoodGuyA Nov 8 2012, 6:03pm
        Amen starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 8 2012, 8:09pm
            why not create something original then? Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Nov 8 2012, 9:54pm
                Because you can love something and not think EVERYTHING is well done starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 1:25am
    All or nothing at all dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Nov 9 2012, 4:49pm
        I don't think GothmogTheBalrog Send a private message to GothmogTheBalrog Nov 9 2012, 4:56pm
            "I meant to do that." acheron Send a private message to acheron Nov 9 2012, 5:02pm
                Calvin & Hobbes? Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Nov 9 2012, 10:02pm
        Fanon I like that... LOL Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Nov 9 2012, 10:03pm
        RE: Gandalf and Bree starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 1:12am
            Re: Gandalf and Bree dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Nov 10 2012, 2:22am
                Re: Time starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 7:03pm
                    But he did not have Shadowfax when he left the Shire dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Nov 10 2012, 8:29pm
                        Honestly I don't think it's something most people even notice starlesswinter Send a private message to starlesswinter Nov 10 2012, 11:42pm
                            Probably not. But I did. dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Nov 11 2012, 5:05am

 
 
 

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