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Oct 24 2012, 4:01pm

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Would it have been possible for Bilbo to find a quiet corner to leave the gem, to simply be found by another?
He probably could have.

Even so, would Bilbo have been able to simply abandon it, without being drawn back to get it? As he was drawn the first time?
Ah, there's the rub. I doubt it - now that he longs to be with the Elves, and realises how difficult it would be to get home with any reward.

If Thorin had found the Arkenstone, would it have put him in a better mood, a good enough mood to deal in a more friendly way with the men of the Lake?
I suggested that before. Perhaps even by innocently "finding" the Arkenstone, Bilbo would be able to present it to him.
And possibly a part of Thorin's grimness is because he is still missing the one thing he really wants.

Or is Thorin 'too far gone' by this point- nothing will stop him?
(try and imagine- though of course we know his reaction later on in the book.)
Later he was betrayed, and moreover the Arkenstone was held up to extort him.
So I don't think his reaction later says much about your hypothetic scenario.
On the other hand, every passing day strengthens his resolve.

Is this just a reference to Bilbo's hobbity size?
Perhaps, but more in an endearing way.

Making him accessible to child readers?
That's my guees.

Disparaging his planning capabilities/intelligence?
Definitely not!

Something else?
It's po' li'l Bilbo, just like good ol' Frodo.

Are we meant to think that Thorin's rejection of Roäc's wise counsel is the catalyst for Bilbo's decision?
Roac does not offer any counsel; he comments negatively on Thorin's policy.

But yes - Thorin's decision to withstand a siege, and his strategy of counting on the disaffection of the besieging Elves and Men clearly frightens Bilbo.
It is not a bad strategy, I think - and despite Roac's arguments, it is a sound one. But Bilbo's gambit forces Thorin's hand - either to go for an attack, or to negotiate. As we will see in the next chapter, he vacilliates between the two.

Is this so, or is it just the weariness of the siege, a moral feeling, or a desire to get rid of the risk of being found with the stone?
Weariness - for sure. Fright of being found out - naturally. There is also the desire for the Elves' food and music.

And last but not least - this is his big chance to escape, and buy his freedom and a relatively safe way home, by trading upon Thorin's treasure. I'm sure he at least considered this scheme.

“Wrapped in a rag”- does this mean that Bilbo leaves behind the “tattered oddments”? Is the Arkenstone a comfortable pillow?

Is the plan dependent on Bombur being on watch, the dark night, or is Bilbo simply lucky here?
He is! But I expect that with any other dwarf on guard, he might have used the Ring to sneak by the sentry.

Would the plan have worked if another dwarf was on duty?
Well, trying to sneak across is very frightening in a way - what if he makes a noise?

"Heart of the mountain...heart of Thorin...and now, Gandalf says "keep your heart up" . Anyone care to comment on the repeated use of that image?"
- weaver

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**A Thief in the Night** II - Bilbo's plan titanium_hobbit Send a private message to titanium_hobbit Oct 23 2012, 1:09pm
    I always wonder about the arkenstone. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Oct 23 2012, 3:40pm
    Answers sador Send a private message to sador Oct 24 2012, 4:01pm
    Gives us a new meaning for the term "sleep on it"! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Oct 29 2012, 1:13am
        Interesting idea Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Oct 29 2012, 3:34am


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