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But surely Bard wasn't motivated by greed alone

SirDennisC
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Oct 23 2012, 4:16pm


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But surely Bard wasn't motivated by greed alone [In reply to] Can't Post

It seems to me that Bard's prime objective was to secure a portion of the treasure to help repair his people. The entire region suffered under Smaug and Lake-town especially during his final Middle-earthly rampage.

There is a principle that Thorin appears to overlook, namely not to profit from the misery of others. Giving a portion of the treasure to men need not be seen merely as a reward for killing Smaug, rather call it aide between neighbours. It just seems the right thing to do all things considered.

I'll warrant, arriving armed and making demands was bad form on Bard's part, but he was driven by their great need and despairing of the fact that Thorin did not believe restitution should come from the dragon's avails of marauding.

Is it true that when Thorin was driven from Erebor in his youth that the dragon's hoard Smaug used for a bed was already there? Or had he added to it over the years? If the latter, if Thorin had a claim to Smaug's treasure, then everyone who had suffered under Smaug did as well.

Admittedly Thorin is selectively generous, as we all are: I am more likely to be generous to my son than I am to a stranger. However, there are special circumstances at play and mitigating factors (such as the aforementioned destruction of Lake-town) that should have figured into Thorin's stance.

If nothing else you have convinced me that Thorin is more complex than I thought.

One final point to consider is this: given the numbers and the hasty defences erected by the dwarves, it is significant that Bard's forces laid siege rather than diving directly into an assault on the mountain.

Subject User Time
**The Gathering of the Clouds** III Curious Send a private message to Curious Oct 20 2012, 5:03am
    Responses Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Oct 21 2012, 1:44pm
    Answers sador Send a private message to sador Oct 21 2012, 1:48pm
        What's missing? SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 21 2012, 7:26pm
            But of course! sador Send a private message to sador Oct 22 2012, 9:53am
                Yes opening with a misquote is a weak gambit. SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 22 2012, 8:27pm
                    No sympathy? sador Send a private message to sador Oct 23 2012, 3:29pm
                        small quibble this morning Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Oct 23 2012, 3:45pm
                            But without people of Thorin's passion Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Oct 23 2012, 3:46pm
                        But surely Bard wasn't motivated by greed alone SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 23 2012, 4:16pm
                            I wonder how much of a difference it would have made Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Oct 23 2012, 7:20pm
                                Yes, true SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 23 2012, 9:19pm
                                    I've been wondering about Gandalf too FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Oct 24 2012, 9:48am
                            I expect so. sador Send a private message to sador Oct 24 2012, 10:21am
                                What is the balance? SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 24 2012, 1:38pm

 
 
 

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