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SirDennisC
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Oct 23 2012, 4:16pm
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But surely Bard wasn't motivated by greed alone
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It seems to me that Bard's prime objective was to secure a portion of the treasure to help repair his people. The entire region suffered under Smaug and Lake-town especially during his final Middle-earthly rampage.
There is a principle that Thorin appears to overlook, namely not to profit from the misery of others. Giving a portion of the treasure to men need not be seen merely as a reward for killing Smaug, rather call it aide between neighbours. It just seems the right thing to do all things considered.
I'll warrant, arriving armed and making demands was bad form on Bard's part, but he was driven by their great need and despairing of the fact that Thorin did not believe restitution should come from the dragon's avails of marauding.
Is it true that when Thorin was driven from Erebor in his youth that the dragon's hoard Smaug used for a bed was already there? Or had he added to it over the years? If the latter, if Thorin had a claim to Smaug's treasure, then everyone who had suffered under Smaug did as well.
Admittedly Thorin is selectively generous, as we all are: I am more likely to be generous to my son than I am to a stranger. However, there are special circumstances at play and mitigating factors (such as the aforementioned destruction of Lake-town) that should have figured into Thorin's stance.
If nothing else you have convinced me that Thorin is more complex than I thought.
One final point to consider is this: given the numbers and the hasty defences erected by the dwarves, it is significant that Bard's forces laid siege rather than diving directly into an assault on the mountain.
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**The Gathering of the Clouds** III
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Curious
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Oct 20 2012, 5:03am
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 21 2012, 1:44pm
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sador
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Oct 21 2012, 1:48pm
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What's missing?
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SirDennisC
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Oct 21 2012, 7:26pm
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But of course!
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sador
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Oct 22 2012, 9:53am
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Yes opening with a misquote is a weak gambit.
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SirDennisC
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Oct 22 2012, 8:27pm
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No sympathy?
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sador
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Oct 23 2012, 3:29pm
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small quibble this morning
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Escapist
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Oct 23 2012, 3:45pm
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But without people of Thorin's passion
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Escapist
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Oct 23 2012, 3:46pm
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But surely Bard wasn't motivated by greed alone
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SirDennisC
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Oct 23 2012, 4:16pm
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I wonder how much of a difference it would have made
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Escapist
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Oct 23 2012, 7:20pm
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Yes, true
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SirDennisC
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Oct 23 2012, 9:19pm
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I've been wondering about Gandalf too
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FarFromHome
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Oct 24 2012, 9:48am
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I expect so.
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sador
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Oct 24 2012, 10:21am
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What is the balance?
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SirDennisC
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Oct 24 2012, 1:38pm
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