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geordie
Tol Eressea
Oct 22 2012, 8:40pm
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Ah, no - at least, I don't think so -
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- what Tolkien said was that Goldberry 'represents the actual seasonal changes in such lands' (ie real river-lands, as opposed to 'fairy-land'). I think this is important; the non- Tolkien quote you gave, mentioning snow etc, sounds 'airy-fairy' to me. Not grounded, as it were; trying to make out that Goldberry was something other than what Tolkien describes her as. Tolkien was quite clear about Tom, at least in one respect - he says (in one letter or another) that Tom represents 'the vanishing Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire countryside'. Old Tom is an enigma; as Tolkien said in a letter to Christopher Fettes, he is 'in Middle-earth, but not _of_ it. And if that is true of Tom, I'm sure it's also true of Goldberry. .
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Goldberry and similar historic examples
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Eruonen
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Oct 22 2012, 3:58pm
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Sorry, I didn't recognize that quote -
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geordie
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Oct 22 2012, 5:14pm
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The source is non-canonical but the spirit seems accurate
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Eruonen
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Oct 22 2012, 6:40pm
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Does Nimrodel count as a water spirit also?
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squire
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Oct 22 2012, 7:34pm
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Oh, come now - 'rape scene'?
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geordie
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Oct 22 2012, 8:13pm
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You are right
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squire
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Oct 22 2012, 8:35pm
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Well,
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geordie
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Oct 22 2012, 8:43pm
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I think you protect too much...
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Eruonen
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Oct 22 2012, 8:43pm
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The elves had some water power as illustrated
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Eruonen
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Oct 22 2012, 9:49pm
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Identity of figure and forms...
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Evernight
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Oct 25 2012, 1:29am
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I may be in a minority here -
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geordie
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Oct 22 2012, 8:00pm
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A minority of two
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Oct 22 2012, 8:10pm
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Thanks!
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geordie
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Oct 22 2012, 9:22pm
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Possible but his line by Tolkien is odd -
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Eruonen
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Oct 22 2012, 8:21pm
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Ah, no - at least, I don't think so -
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geordie
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Oct 22 2012, 8:40pm
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How do we interpret "represents the actual seasonal changes"
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Eruonen
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Oct 22 2012, 9:15pm
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It's left a little unclear just what she is washing, or how, or where
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squire
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Oct 22 2012, 8:48pm
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I wonder if Tolkien took some influences
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Elenorflower
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Oct 22 2012, 9:31pm
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