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Nerwen's path

Elthir
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Oct 15 2012, 8:49pm


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In that letter, Tolkien states that "she [Galadriel] had committed no evil deeds". Sometimes Tolkien's revisions just can't be squared but perhaps in this case we could take it to mean that "evil deeds" refer to the transgression of those Noldor who not only attacked Alqualondë but also failed to repent once the Prophecy of the North was handed down by Mandos. Finarfin repented and returned to Valinor. Galadriel presumably never had the chance to do so (in this version she and Celebron sailed separately and would never have encountered Mandos).



Yes I think Tolkien was focusing on these things and her [now former] part in the Rebellion in general (again, seemingly forgetting what he had published in The Road Goes Ever On). Regarding my earlier mention of Mary however, I just checked letters and the Virgin Mary comparison is referenced in earlier letters, but not actually in the late Lord Halsbury letter itself (the one you noted for me), and in the latest reference to Mary (in letters), Galadriel was still a leader in the Rebellion in Tolkien's mind.

I wonder if Mary along with Galadriel had come up when Tolkien and Lord Halsbury talked (just before Tolkien's letter), but maybe that will never be known.



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An aside, Galadriel, as described in The Grey Annals (back to the 1950s), was very coy when questioned by Melian about what took place back in Valinor and despite being pressed would not speak of the Kinslaying, simply hinting a dark deeds. Not exactly the behaviour of someone 'unstained'! Over the decades Tolkien went on quite a journey with this character.




I rather like the early 1950s scenario (in the 1977 Silmarillion), and not that you said otherwise, but even though Galadriel did not want to speak of certain things to Melian, at this point it seems Tolkien imagined that she had yet no part in the Kinslaying. I say that because not only did the earlier Silmarillion of the mid to later 1930s (again if I recall correctly) note that Finrod (Finarfin's) children had not taken part in this deed (Galadriel not being one of his children yet, in any case), but in the later text Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn, Finarfin's children are noted as having had no part in the Kinslaying.

If memory serves this text is later than that which describes Galadriel and Melian's speech together, somewhat after the early 1950s anyway.


(This post was edited by Elthir on Oct 15 2012, 8:59pm)

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Galadriel and The Battle Of Dol Guldur BornOutOfTheWest Send a private message to BornOutOfTheWest Oct 12 2012, 3:19pm
    Wellcome! Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) Send a private message to Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) Oct 12 2012, 3:37pm
    I'd be happy for Galadriel to destroy Dol Guldur during The Hobbit DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 12 2012, 3:42pm
        Me too dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Oct 12 2012, 4:02pm
        Same here // Groppe Send a private message to Groppe Oct 12 2012, 4:49pm
        There is some mentioning in the movies Beren0nehanded Send a private message to Beren0nehanded Oct 12 2012, 5:56pm
            I wanted more though! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 12 2012, 6:17pm
                Agreed! Beren0nehanded Send a private message to Beren0nehanded Oct 12 2012, 6:23pm
                    I wouldn't assume that the Hobbit Trilogy (spoilers) - Hanzkaz Oct 12 2012, 7:35pm
                        I think that there will be more as well, painjoiker Send a private message to painjoiker Oct 12 2012, 10:26pm
        How to show the power of wizards and elves without making it look tacky? Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Oct 12 2012, 11:44pm
            Replace these kung fu masters with Elrond, Galadriel and Gandalf Carne Send a private message to Carne Oct 12 2012, 11:51pm
            That's a good question dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Oct 13 2012, 5:38am
            I don't want flashy power magic either DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 13 2012, 10:09am
                I agree... Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Oct 13 2012, 11:09pm
                    What was it Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 13 2012, 11:53pm
                        I think Elthir is simply commenting on Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Oct 14 2012, 4:09am
                            Actually... Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Oct 14 2012, 4:55am
                            I can't say that I agree Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 14 2012, 8:41am
                            Well... Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Oct 14 2012, 7:46pm
                    The big question is........ Eye's on Guard Send a private message to Eye's on Guard Oct 14 2012, 12:23am
                        Most definitely! / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 14 2012, 9:31am
                        Please Eru, nooooo! Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Oct 14 2012, 9:31am
                For Galadriel to seem like the most potent force of magic imaginable whilst poor AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 15 2012, 3:23am
                    The Istari are guides Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Oct 15 2012, 6:41am
                    It is Galadriel that cleanses Dol Guldur in Tolkien's work though? / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 15 2012, 7:16am
                        the quote, and Galadriel as warrior Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Oct 15 2012, 8:01am
                            Or cast a fireball? Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Oct 15 2012, 9:01am
                                The Galadriel / Lúthien & Dol Guldur / Tol-in-Gaurhoth parallel Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Oct 15 2012, 9:32am
                                    Something like this... Joe20 Send a private message to Joe20 Oct 15 2012, 9:46am
                                        I can imagine Galadriel doing something similar. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 15 2012, 11:25am
                                    Yeah, I think this is most likely. Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Oct 15 2012, 11:18am
                            Galadriel dealing death? Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Oct 15 2012, 2:16pm
                                Galadriel the 'unstained' defender Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Oct 15 2012, 4:15pm
                                    Nerwen's path Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Oct 15 2012, 8:49pm
                                        respect for the lore! Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Oct 15 2012, 10:15pm
            And yet PJ did show a cheesy fireball irodino Send a private message to irodino Oct 13 2012, 4:34pm
                I really liked that fireball Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 14 2012, 3:50am
        tempting but no Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Oct 13 2012, 9:19am
    This line...still not digging it Vangalad Send a private message to Vangalad Oct 12 2012, 4:29pm
        It may have just been a blip in Boyens' memory DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 12 2012, 4:50pm
            Indeed, she's excused Vangalad Send a private message to Vangalad Oct 12 2012, 5:28pm
    Having our cake and eating it too... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Oct 12 2012, 11:23pm
        That would work nicely DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 13 2012, 9:55am

 
 
 

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