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Well, how about this?

geordie
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Oct 14 2012, 11:10pm


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Well, how about this? [In reply to] Can't Post

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'The Lay's "Ere fire was found or iron hewn" is a perfectly good image for a "world of old" before Man acquired civilization, although it is rather modernly industrial in its outlook - I miss some kind of Adamistic imagery in this Christian poem.'

I think another 'echo' exists in Tolkien's versions of 'The Hoard', esp. the first two versions, both published under the same name - 'Iumonna Gold Galdre Bewunden:

'Ere Hell was digged, ere the dragons brood
Or the dwarves were spawned in dungeons rude;
And men there were in few lands
That caught some cunning of their mouths and hands...'
(The Gryphon, ns4, no.4, January 1923, p.130)

In this version the gold and silver in the hoard originated with the elves (note: no capitalization), but in the second version, it is the 'gods' who sang of silver and gold 'when the moon was new and the sun young'.

'Ere the pit was dug or Hell yawned,
Ere dwarf was bred or dragon spawned,
There were elves of old, and strong spells
In green hills under hollow dells
They sang as they wrought many fair things...'
(The Oxford Magazine, March 4th, 1937)

Tom Shippey examines these things in his paper 'The versions of "The Hoard"' in his collection of essays 'Roots and Branches: Selected Papers on Tolkien' (2007)

*that was a fine piece of literary detective work, Squire - thanks.





(This post was edited by geordie on Oct 14 2012, 11:17pm)

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Some Tolkien connections geordie Send a private message to geordie Oct 14 2012, 4:16pm
    Sometimes everything seems to be connected, Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Oct 14 2012, 5:02pm
    A delightful Sunday read geordie Hamfast Send a private message to Hamfast Oct 14 2012, 6:37pm
    Interesting borrowings Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Oct 14 2012, 7:03pm
        Not quite - geordie Send a private message to geordie Oct 14 2012, 8:02pm
            Same meter Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Oct 14 2012, 8:18pm
    That's a very interesting example of Tolkien's recycling habit squire Send a private message to squire Oct 14 2012, 10:03pm
        Well, how about this? geordie Send a private message to geordie Oct 14 2012, 11:10pm
        I just remembered - geordie Send a private message to geordie Oct 15 2012, 4:49pm
    All of this mountain and moon talk Hamfast Send a private message to Hamfast Oct 15 2012, 12:41am
    That seems far to obvious to be accidental. Wonderful! It makes me think Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Oct 15 2012, 3:07pm
    Nice little thread Geordie SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 15 2012, 6:42pm

 
 
 

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