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geordie
Tol Eressea
Oct 14 2012, 11:10pm
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- in reply to:
'The Lay's "Ere fire was found or iron hewn" is a perfectly good image for a "world of old" before Man acquired civilization, although it is rather modernly industrial in its outlook - I miss some kind of Adamistic imagery in this Christian poem.'
I think another 'echo' exists in Tolkien's versions of 'The Hoard', esp. the first two versions, both published under the same name - 'Iumonna Gold Galdre Bewunden:
'Ere Hell was digged, ere the dragons brood
Or the dwarves were spawned in dungeons rude;
And men there were in few lands
That caught some cunning of their mouths and hands...'
(The Gryphon, ns4, no.4, January 1923, p.130)
In this version the gold and silver in the hoard originated with the elves (note: no capitalization), but in the second version, it is the 'gods' who sang of silver and gold 'when the moon was new and the sun young'.
'Ere the pit was dug or Hell yawned,
Ere dwarf was bred or dragon spawned,
There were elves of old, and strong spells
In green hills under hollow dells
They sang as they wrought many fair things...'
(The Oxford Magazine, March 4th, 1937)
Tom Shippey examines these things in his paper 'The versions of "The Hoard"' in his collection of essays 'Roots and Branches: Selected Papers on Tolkien' (2007)
*that was a fine piece of literary detective work, Squire - thanks.
(This post was edited by geordie on Oct 14 2012, 11:17pm)
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Some Tolkien connections
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geordie
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Oct 14 2012, 4:16pm
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Sometimes everything seems to be connected,
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Escapist
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Oct 14 2012, 5:02pm
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A delightful Sunday read geordie
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Hamfast
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Oct 14 2012, 6:37pm
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Interesting borrowings
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Modtheow
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Oct 14 2012, 7:03pm
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Not quite -
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geordie
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Oct 14 2012, 8:02pm
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Same meter
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Modtheow
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Oct 14 2012, 8:18pm
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That's a very interesting example of Tolkien's recycling habit
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squire
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Oct 14 2012, 10:03pm
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Well, how about this?
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geordie
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Oct 14 2012, 11:10pm
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I just remembered -
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geordie
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Oct 15 2012, 4:49pm
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All of this mountain and moon talk
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Hamfast
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Oct 15 2012, 12:41am
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That seems far to obvious to be accidental. Wonderful! It makes me think
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Ethel Duath
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Oct 15 2012, 3:07pm
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Nice little thread Geordie
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SirDennisC
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Oct 15 2012, 6:42pm
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