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Modtheow
Lorien
Oct 14 2012, 7:03pm
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I find the fact that Tolkien borrowed lines from an earlier poem of his very interesting.
ere fire was found or iron hewn,
when young was mountain under moon (from "The Lay of Aotroun and Itroun")
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Ere iron was found or tree was hewn,
When young was mountain under moon (from TT)
He must have found "mountain under moon" a memorable sound and image. I wonder if he uses it anywhere else? It seems to me that he's working much like the poets who used an oral style in the early Middle Ages: repeating memorable phrases (especially when there's alliteration to bind the phrase together) and using other phrases as a template to fill in with appropriate details for a specific context, like "fire" and "iron" in the Lay which are switched for "iron" and "tree" in The Two Towers, where Ents are concerned.
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Some Tolkien connections
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geordie
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Oct 14 2012, 4:16pm
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Sometimes everything seems to be connected,
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Escapist
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Oct 14 2012, 5:02pm
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A delightful Sunday read geordie
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Hamfast
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Oct 14 2012, 6:37pm
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Interesting borrowings
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Modtheow
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Oct 14 2012, 7:03pm
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Not quite -
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geordie
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Oct 14 2012, 8:02pm
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Same meter
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Modtheow
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Oct 14 2012, 8:18pm
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That's a very interesting example of Tolkien's recycling habit
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squire
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Oct 14 2012, 10:03pm
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Well, how about this?
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geordie
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Oct 14 2012, 11:10pm
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I just remembered -
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geordie
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Oct 15 2012, 4:49pm
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All of this mountain and moon talk
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Hamfast
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Oct 15 2012, 12:41am
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That seems far to obvious to be accidental. Wonderful! It makes me think
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Ethel Duath
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Oct 15 2012, 3:07pm
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Nice little thread Geordie
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SirDennisC
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Oct 15 2012, 6:42pm
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