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Interesting borrowings

Modtheow
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Oct 14 2012, 7:03pm


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I find the fact that Tolkien borrowed lines from an earlier poem of his very interesting.

ere fire was found or iron hewn,
when young was mountain under moon (from "The Lay of Aotroun and Itroun")

and

Ere iron was found or tree was hewn,
When young was mountain under moon (from TT)


He must have found "mountain under moon" a memorable sound and image. I wonder if he uses it anywhere else? It seems to me that he's working much like the poets who used an oral style in the early Middle Ages: repeating memorable phrases (especially when there's alliteration to bind the phrase together) and using other phrases as a template to fill in with appropriate details for a specific context, like "fire" and "iron" in the Lay which are switched for "iron" and "tree" in The Two Towers, where Ents are concerned.

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Some Tolkien connections geordie Send a private message to geordie Oct 14 2012, 4:16pm
    Sometimes everything seems to be connected, Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Oct 14 2012, 5:02pm
    A delightful Sunday read geordie Hamfast Send a private message to Hamfast Oct 14 2012, 6:37pm
    Interesting borrowings Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Oct 14 2012, 7:03pm
        Not quite - geordie Send a private message to geordie Oct 14 2012, 8:02pm
            Same meter Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Oct 14 2012, 8:18pm
    That's a very interesting example of Tolkien's recycling habit squire Send a private message to squire Oct 14 2012, 10:03pm
        Well, how about this? geordie Send a private message to geordie Oct 14 2012, 11:10pm
        I just remembered - geordie Send a private message to geordie Oct 15 2012, 4:49pm
    All of this mountain and moon talk Hamfast Send a private message to Hamfast Oct 15 2012, 12:41am
    That seems far to obvious to be accidental. Wonderful! It makes me think Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Oct 15 2012, 3:07pm
    Nice little thread Geordie SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 15 2012, 6:42pm

 
 
 

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