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An Updated Theory

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Oct 11 2012, 12:52pm


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Here is another, very simple way to resolve many of these seeming contradictions: AUJ ends just after the spider battle in Mirkwood. In a previous thread I also mentioned the trailer scene where Radagast, clearly inside Rhosgobel, warns of a "dark power". The question was and is, who is he speaking to? Gandalf? But Gandalf doesn't come near Mirkwood/Rhosgobel until after the break that everyone is assuming (just after the eagle rescue). In that thread I theorized that he might even be speaking to Legolas and Tauriel, as messengers from Thranduil-- that would give them a reason to go patrolling Mirkwood in the first place. I wrote that those two could then go "kick some serious spider butt"; now that the Lego set ads are out, that prediction seems to be accurate. Thus emboldened, here is an updated theory:

- If the first movie ends after the spider battle, wherein it is actually Legolas and Tauriel who kill most of the spiders, then we have a nice triple cliffhanger: Tauriel, Legolas, and the rest of the Elves capture the Dwarves and lead them away; Bilbo, using the ring, is left behind in agony of what to do; and Gandalf and Radagast, over at Rhosgobel, are attacked by the spider(s).
- Bilbo has his climactic moment, as he kills his spider and names his sword Sting.

-This assumption of AUJ ending at the Carrock has always seemed rather weak, dramatically. Plus there is now all this merchandise, from both Bridge Direct and Lego, featuring Legolas and Tauriel, and the spider battle. Are people really going to spend $30-$60 for Christmas gifts based on characters that aren't in the movie? The kids will be so confused that the parents will have to go spend another $20 on GI Joe with Kung-Fu Grip or something to make up for it. The lame explanation for all the toys has been that they were made, and marketing plans set in place, long before the decision to expand to 3 movies. But how difficult would it really have been to delay the release of those products?
-This theory doesn't contradict the new official poster: Barrels Out of Bond is still cut from AUJ and will now be seen in DOS. Mirkwood never appeared in either poster.
-The only thing contradicting this theory is that the names Orlando Bloom and Evangeline Lilly no longer appear on the "official" website. But that could easily be explained: the website is after all run by the financing company (Warner Bros.) overseeing the production company (New Line) supervising the film company (Wingnut) that is making the movies. When Peter Jackson pitched the 3 film idea to Warner Bros. in July, they no doubt wanted to know immediately how he would now break up the films. At that point in time he could have indicated "after the eagles' rescue", and WB's advertising department ran with it. But Jackson should have the freedom to break the films where he wishes, so the web site information should not be taken as the last word.
-Thoughts?

(This post was edited by Ataahua on Oct 11 2012, 6:18pm)

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Attack on Rhosgobel? LordElrond Send a private message to LordElrond Oct 11 2012, 6:30am
    The thing breaking into Rhosgobel is ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 11 2012, 7:14am
        Interesting LordElrond Send a private message to LordElrond Oct 11 2012, 8:06am
            There's many options DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 11 2012, 8:16am
                How about this? Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Oct 11 2012, 8:35am
                    That seems likely ... why didn't I think of that?! / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 11 2012, 9:08am
                    Highly doubt he'll say that stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Oct 11 2012, 11:47am
                        But something like that? Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Oct 11 2012, 12:14pm
                        Can he outwardly dislike Radagast, but still be overall "nice"? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 11 2012, 12:23pm
                            It would seem unlikely stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Oct 11 2012, 12:54pm
                                In the book it wouldn't make sense DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 11 2012, 1:00pm
                                    And after all Saruman is Radagasts head of order... Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Oct 11 2012, 1:19pm
                                    You don't have to like someone in order to work with them! Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Oct 11 2012, 2:39pm
                LOL!! LordElrond Send a private message to LordElrond Oct 11 2012, 9:05am
                Additional Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 11 2012, 11:18am
                An Updated Theory DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Oct 11 2012, 12:52pm
                    But it would contradict the new banner and cast list... Aitieuriskon Send a private message to Aitieuriskon Oct 11 2012, 1:02pm
                        Same explanation, DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Oct 11 2012, 1:31pm
                            No, because L&T never made it onto the scroll Aitieuriskon Send a private message to Aitieuriskon Oct 11 2012, 1:36pm
                                Again, same explanation. DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Oct 11 2012, 2:12pm
                    Sorry, Dweller, but I think you are in denial... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Oct 11 2012, 2:26pm
                        If Peter Jackson made such an announcement, DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Oct 11 2012, 2:54pm
                            Nothing on PJ's Facebook page... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Oct 11 2012, 3:41pm
                            The app also Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 11 2012, 6:26pm
                                He probably talks to all his animal friends Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Oct 12 2012, 7:32am

 
 
 

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