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I miss him too...


Oct 10 2012, 11:22am

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Where's Darkstone when we need him? He would have much to say about Book Gandalf being pointier than the round and huggy guy we got in the films!

I never quite agreed with Darkstone about this (I think that "pointy" book-Gandalf is just engaging in the kind of banter that Brits use to express the "round and huggy" feelings they don't feel allowed to express any other way...), but it's a good point nevertheless.

As for Gandalf the Grey, despite the obsessiveness you mention, he does somehow manage not to check up on that magic ring of Bilbo's for rather a long time...

I'm not sure Gandalf sees himself as a manager at this point, though, but more as a front-line worker. He's like those grumpy old detectives who refuse a desk job (he turned down the nomination to be leader of the White Council, according to the Sil) and seem to spend a lot of time sorting out the messes that management make, and putting their own life on the line to protect the innocent. Or perhaps he's a front-line WWI officer, serving in the trenches. I guess once he returns as the White he's been "promoted", for better or worse. He still insists on putting himself on the line but he now has to make and stand by a lot of far-reaching decisions. I guess he's gone from front-line soldier to general - but he's the ideal general who does know what it's like at the sharp end and isn't afraid to come out and lead from the front.

I agree with you that the movies take what's in the book as the basis for the way Gandalf is portrayed, and make a pretty good job of it. It's true that book-Gandalf would never had hugged book-Frodo, but then book-Frodo was a straight-laced Brit who wouldn't have gone in for hugging anyway. I suppose that makes the breakdown of inhibitions he undergoes on his journey all the more moving, as he learns to accept and be comforted by physical gestures of affection from Sam. Films have a narrower range of conventions available to them, I think, in terms of portraying emotions, unless they have time to focus on them to the exclusion of everything else (which, let's face it, isn't going to happen in an epic adventure!). I think it's a credit to Peter Jackson that the emotional life of the characters was portrayed as faithfully as it was.

They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled,
the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings

(This post was edited by FarFromHome on Oct 10 2012, 11:27am)

Subject User Time
Gandalf The Grey Versus The White JWPlatt Oct 8 2012, 2:28am
    About Gandy- Ring-Bearer Send a private message to Ring-Bearer Oct 8 2012, 2:57am
    The difference is pretty obvious imo. Spaldron Send a private message to Spaldron Oct 8 2012, 2:48pm
        Specifics JWPlatt Oct 8 2012, 5:40pm
            In Merry's own words (fro the books): Túrin_Turambar Send a private message to Túrin_Turambar Oct 9 2012, 2:47am
    More hasty Lausus Send a private message to Lausus Oct 8 2012, 10:18pm
    Not all knowing versus enlightened... weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 9 2012, 4:10am
        Well said, Weaver! Ring-Bearer Send a private message to Ring-Bearer Oct 9 2012, 4:17am
            Seconded! FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Oct 9 2012, 10:07am
                yep, I was only focusing on the films in my analysis... weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 10 2012, 3:04am
                    I miss him too... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Oct 10 2012, 11:22am
                        I like your "promotion" analogy... weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 11 2012, 3:22am
            glad you got past all my typos! weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 10 2012, 3:06am
        Both Grey and White insult Pippin stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Oct 10 2012, 12:45pm
            agreed... weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 11 2012, 3:18am
    I din´t see that either Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) Send a private message to Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) Oct 9 2012, 2:04pm
    I always find the most striking difference between the two Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 10 2012, 3:31pm


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