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What a great idea!

sador
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Oct 10 2012, 8:48am


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Thank you!


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I’m convinced by the carving-plumbing argument


Yeah, it's a good one - despite my own tongue-in-cheek response there. Blush


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In this chapter, Bilbo takes the Arkenstone without telling anyone and receives his gift of a mithril coat. Please feel free to comment on these incidents


Well, I've led this chapter on the last time we've discussed it - and commented on both. the Arkenstone and the mithril coat.

Are such proverbial sayings just things people say, like clichés, without thinking much about their meaning?
Possibly, but it is nice that Bilbo qualifies it with the saying not coming from personal experience.

Do they have any special significance in Bilbo’s situations?
Usually.

Why is it always his father’s sayings that he remembers?
Ah - this is another thing I've discussed!

How is Bilbo’s character developing in these adventures?
Personally, I think taking the Arkenstone 'for later' is morally his low point, which he won't redeem until the end of A Thief in the Night when he returns to Bombur, accepting responsibility for his gift to Bard (had he not returned, it would have been pure betrayal and cutting himself the best deal). And coming on top of it, the first time Thorin speaks in the treasury is to offer Bilbo his first reward!

Wow! That is all I can say. Splintered light...great jewel...no such gem in all the world....Comments?
A Silmaril? Morthoron asked about this only last week. And dernwyn discussed this possibility in the thread about the Arkenstone I've linked to above.


Where on earth do they think Smaug is – or are they thinking clearly?
At the moment they aren't. They have come home, and into a great hoard. You wouldn't be thinking clearly yourself under such circumstances (neither would I).

Do you remember your feelings at this point in your first reading?
No.

What are your views on the mood of “Not at Home” and its juxtapositioning with the “Fire and Water” chapter?
As Tolkien will say in the next chapter, the tension is unbearable - for the reader, who is not subject to the Dwarves feelings; there is only so much that words can convey!
But perhaps in the films it will work better.



"Bard is known as someone who forebodes gloomy things like floods and poisoned fish. Floods I can see, but poisoned fish? How and why would Bard forebode poisoned fish? Or is this just a slander against Bard?"
- Curious



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Subject User Time
***A glance back at "Not at Home"*** Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Oct 9 2012, 12:20am
    Proverbs Finding Frodo Send a private message to Finding Frodo Oct 9 2012, 3:37am
        That dropped torch! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Oct 10 2012, 2:14am
        Keep calm and carry on telain Send a private message to telain Oct 10 2012, 4:07pm
    The Stone and the Ring justbennett Send a private message to justbennett Oct 9 2012, 4:57am
        What about his mother's wisdom? Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Oct 10 2012, 3:10am
            Tolkien hates women (just kidding!) CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Oct 10 2012, 11:34pm
        I know what you mean... telain Send a private message to telain Oct 10 2012, 3:59pm
    What a great idea! sador Send a private message to sador Oct 10 2012, 8:48am
        In Bilbo's Defense justbennett Send a private message to justbennett Oct 10 2012, 5:31pm
        one link not working Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Oct 14 2012, 8:21pm
            Is it supposed to be this one? dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Oct 14 2012, 11:43pm
                Yes, that's it. sador Send a private message to sador Oct 15 2012, 7:51am
                    You're welcome! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Oct 17 2012, 1:55am

 
 
 

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