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How we gonna notice "The Rise of the Necromancer" (possibly spoilers)

Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Oct 9 2012, 11:49am


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As you all know at the moment we are drowned with new images and information about orcs, goblins and other evil creatures of The Hobbit trilogy. And the more we learn about them the merrier I start to compare them to the ones of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. In an interview with someone Peter Jackson told us that now he's doing three films he's able to tell us more about "The Rise of the Necromancer". Here is my theory how we gonna notice it while watching the AUJ, DOS and TABA without seeing much of Sauron himself. Let's compare some of the evil races of AUJ to their counterparts of LOTR:

Goblins of AUJ:
No armor (loincloth), no heavy weapons (whips, wooden spears, knives). Obviously they're living in their own civilization [Goblin Town] with their own ruler [Great Goblin]. Very independant if you ask me. And everything looks hastily cobbled together. No wizard or Dark Lord behind them.
Goblins of LOTR:
Uniform armor, forged weapons and armor (shields, chainmail, helmets, swords...). They're in Moria because they were sent there to destroy the dwarven realm of Khazad-dm by Sauron.
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Orcs of AUJ:
Fimbul, Bolg and Yazneg are serving Sauron but are wearing skin or bones as their armor rather than chainmails, corslets or forged things. Perhaps Sauron wasn't able to rebuild his industries and forges yet? Everything looks very savage. Although they serve Sauron it seems that they're also fighting their personal conflicts (Azog-Thorin-Dain-Bolg). It seems that they still have a bit of their free mind left.
Orcs of LOTR:
Orcs of Mordor and Isengard are wearing heavy armor and weapons forged in their own industries. Orcs and Uruk-Hai look more improved, more disciplined (for orc standards) and every orc follows only one goal: To destroy the world of Men, Elves and all the Free People on behalf of their master. No real sign of an own mind.
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Wargs of AUJ:
They're looking more like animals and independant beasts than bred creatures. They're looking like allies but not servants. Also they seem to have their own primitive language and a kind of "society" with a leader [white She-Wolf].
Wargs of LOTR:
They're looking more like bred war maschines than animals. More improved, stronger and obedient. Following the orders of Sauron and Saruman.
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Trolls of AUJ:
They've got names, they've got the ability to speak and they seem to be independant too. They're living their own lifes and are not serving anybody. They kill if they're hungry and not on behalf of a dark lord.
Trolls of LOTR:
Obedient and improved bred elite-warriors in Saurons armies. No own mind, no speaking. Armoured and ready to fight everybody who stands against their master.
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All in all: I think we gonna see how all of these evil races are losing their independence during The Hobbit trilogy one by one. Perhaps we see what Saruman tells Gandalf in FOTR: "He is gathering all evil to him. Very soon he will summon an army great enough to launch an assault upon Middle earth". I think that's how we're going to notice "The Rise of the Necromancer" while watching The Hobbit trilogy without seeing much of Sauron himself. We will see the development of his servants and their loss of independence. Sauron would be still more the incarnation of evil and growing darkness than an actual single person. But that's just a theory.

"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."

(This post was edited by Lieutenant of Dol Guldur on Oct 9 2012, 11:58am)

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How we gonna notice "The Rise of the Necromancer" (possibly spoilers) Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Oct 9 2012, 11:49am
    Great post, and well thought out DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 9 2012, 11:58am
        Thanks! Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Oct 9 2012, 12:04pm
            Perhaps stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Oct 9 2012, 12:07pm
                Doesn't he controls their minds? Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Oct 9 2012, 12:10pm
                    I assume he could with the Ring DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 9 2012, 12:12pm
                        To be bred or not be bred... that's the question Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Oct 9 2012, 12:19pm
                        maybe elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Oct 10 2012, 1:59pm
                    They had free will stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Oct 9 2012, 12:23pm
                        That Shagrat episode... Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) Send a private message to Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) Oct 9 2012, 1:03pm
                            Yes, but orcs are quite different from the book in the movies. // Ffnir Send a private message to Ffnir Oct 9 2012, 4:52pm
                                orc personalities Mooseboy018 Send a private message to Mooseboy018 Oct 9 2012, 6:26pm
                            Own personalities YES... following their own goals NO Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Oct 9 2012, 7:19pm
                                You just killed your own theory with some of these orcs stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Oct 10 2012, 12:22pm
                                    Personally I don't see why all the Orcs need to be involved with Sauron to begin with... Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 10 2012, 12:39pm
                                        Sauron and Morgoth created them. Ffnir Send a private message to Ffnir Oct 10 2012, 2:15pm
                                            But being influenced is different from being entirely animated or ruled by the will of another. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 11 2012, 9:21pm
                                                pardon me if I am wrong Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 11 2012, 9:31pm
                                    I think you missed my point... Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Oct 10 2012, 2:21pm
                                        I agree 100% ! Ffnir Send a private message to Ffnir Oct 10 2012, 2:43pm
                                            Yes! Because the dark lords are the incarnation of evil itself... Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Oct 10 2012, 2:51pm
                                                That isn't entirely true. Quoth Elrond, "nothing is evil in its beginning. Even Sauron was not so." AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 11 2012, 9:28pm
                                        Why didn't they just say... Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Oct 10 2012, 2:43pm
                                        You're missing the big picture stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Oct 10 2012, 3:01pm
                                            We can see here some of Tolkien's contradictions Ffnir Send a private message to Ffnir Oct 10 2012, 3:12pm
                                                Quite the riddle! Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Oct 10 2012, 3:17pm
                                            Great Post // Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 10 2012, 3:22pm
                                            TALKING of something isn't the same as really DOING something Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Oct 10 2012, 3:33pm
                                                The books aren't about the orcs stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Oct 10 2012, 5:11pm
                                                From Morgoth's Ring stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Oct 10 2012, 5:54pm
                                                The End of All Evil? No. Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Oct 10 2012, 7:10pm
                                            Except that Sauron is no mere dictator ! Ffnir Send a private message to Ffnir Oct 10 2012, 3:36pm
                    And is not fear a way to control a mind? Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) Send a private message to Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) Oct 9 2012, 12:58pm
    Very clever observations comandantedavid Send a private message to comandantedavid Oct 9 2012, 2:43pm
        On point Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Oct 9 2012, 3:09pm
        Development within the trilogy Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Send a private message to Lieutenant of Dol Guldur Oct 9 2012, 3:14pm
            Yes, good thougths and I agree... Captain Salt Send a private message to Captain Salt Oct 9 2012, 3:29pm
    good post....but MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Oct 10 2012, 3:49am
    A lot of strong points in what you are saying, except for the Khazad-Dum bit. The Balrog, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 10 2012, 4:42am
    I think... Ereinion Nnharma Send a private message to Ereinion Nnharma Oct 11 2012, 9:04am

 
 
 

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