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redgiraffe
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Oct 8 2012, 11:19am
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... doesn't seem very climactic to me. If they follow the book, all is quiet until Bilbo convinces the dwarves to shut the door. Then Smaug comes along and smashes rocks. I could see it going either way, but I would like Smaug's death to be the climactic scene of DOS. I would reverse the orders of chapters 12 and 13 to put the exploration of the treasure in TABA and the death of Smaug in DOS. I would also like to see the battle with the necromancer play out in TABA. I think the defeat of Smaug is interesting because it is done by humans (Bard) as opposed to the greater powers of ME (Gandalf). If the Bo5A is part of a greater plot, it climaxes for both the lesser (Hobbit/Dwarf) and greater (White Council) arcs. If the white council "wins" in DOS, I feel like the significance of the Bo5A is diminished. It makes the land more peaceful after the defeat of a great host of goblins, but the big picture is the necro AND the goblins (plus, to a lesser extent, Smaug). I don't want to resolve the big picture before the little one, especially not in two sequential films. I think Smaug needs to die either at the same time or after the resolution of the DG subplot. But not before. My reasoning is that it Smaug dies before the DG subplot it might sever the importance of the connection between the two stories. The connection should be that Sauron is trying to gain an alliance with Smaug which is why Gandalf sets the company out to Erebor, and why the white council attacks DG. If Smaug dies first, then it would seem like there really isn't much need for them to attack DG since the main villain/purpose (Smaug) has been killed. Yes, they still have the task of driving Sauron out of DG but it doesn't really seems to fit with the original purpose of attacking DG. But if DG is resolved first, we are still left with the threat of Smaug and the purpose of the dwarves' quest. It also shifts the spotlight away from the DG subplot and brings the focus completely on the main aspect of the story, which is the journey of the dwarves to reclaim the Lonely Mountain. I think resolving the DG subplot before Smaug's death is a much more effective way of telling the story.
-Sir are you classified as human -Negative, I am a meat-popsicle
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My guess: Desolation of Smaug "where the action is"
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macfalk
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Oct 5 2012, 4:34pm
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And no so much action afterwards !
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 5:00pm
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The *spoilers*
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 5 2012, 5:08pm
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Yeah it's a big probability
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 5:23pm
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I don't think so
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 5 2012, 5:50pm
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The geo-political build-up
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DanielLB
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Oct 5 2012, 6:03pm
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but but but but but
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 5 2012, 6:10pm
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good point
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redgiraffe
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Oct 8 2012, 10:24am
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Not so much action?
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ryanw8
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Oct 5 2012, 5:11pm
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Smaug must be in film 2, his name is in the title
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 5:15pm
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Agreed DoS will have much more going on than AUJ...however, based on what we know, I'd see something more akin to this unfolding:
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Captain Salt
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Oct 5 2012, 5:07pm
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I really think you are loading a bit too much on "There and Back Again".
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 5 2012, 5:16pm
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I thought so as well until recently...
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Captain Salt
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Oct 5 2012, 5:26pm
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Not necessarily
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 5 2012, 10:57pm
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You know that LotR was structured on climaxes. I don't expect these to be different
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GoodGuyA
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Oct 6 2012, 4:15am
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I agree
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redgiraffe
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Oct 8 2012, 10:52am
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No Smaug in Desolation of Smaug ?
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 5:27pm
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Yes, it is a conundrum...
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Captain Salt
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Oct 5 2012, 5:33pm
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I like your plot development
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redgiraffe
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Oct 8 2012, 10:18am
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This looks pretty good to me!
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Buchanicus
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Oct 5 2012, 10:17pm
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It all comes down to the Dol Guldur subplot
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DanielLB
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Oct 5 2012, 5:33pm
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Agreed Barrels out of Bond would have been/could be a great climatic sequence. //
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Captain Salt
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Oct 5 2012, 5:42pm
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personally it seemed a little lame
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 5 2012, 6:06pm
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Agreed
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Eye's on Guard
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Oct 5 2012, 9:48pm
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Climax
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Ardamírë
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Oct 5 2012, 10:07pm
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What I think...
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Lost Hobbit
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Oct 5 2012, 10:17pm
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The only problem with the climax of DOS being the barrel escape is ...
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DanielLB
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Oct 5 2012, 6:12pm
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Correct, I don't expect it to be the end of Film 2...
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Captain Salt
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Oct 5 2012, 6:18pm
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Wait !
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 6:21pm
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As said above, I don't think anyone's suggesting an entire movie set in Mirkwood. //
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Captain Salt
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Oct 5 2012, 7:08pm
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Oh right, I hadn't read the title of your post. Sorry ! //
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 7:30pm
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We know PJ loves to Start with Big Bang!
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Bombadil
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Oct 5 2012, 5:48pm
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Dol Guldur
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redgiraffe
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Oct 8 2012, 10:21am
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Yes I agree
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burgahobbit
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Oct 5 2012, 6:45pm
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Personally
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redgiraffe
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Oct 8 2012, 10:29am
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I think that people will expect it
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burgahobbit
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Oct 8 2012, 7:02pm
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My bet : we meet Smaug in TDOS and he dies in film 3.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 5 2012, 7:01pm
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This is what I think as well.
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Carne
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Oct 5 2012, 10:41pm
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I so love the Idea of our Dwarves diving into
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Bombadil
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Oct 5 2012, 11:12pm
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me too Bombadil
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 5 2012, 11:22pm
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Thank you T&TA?
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Bombadil
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Oct 5 2012, 11:55pm
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I agree.
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 8:10am
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It works both ways though
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DanielLB
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Oct 6 2012, 8:17am
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There is lots to fit into DoS though
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 8:33am
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Oh, I agree about that
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DanielLB
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Oct 6 2012, 8:40am
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It's certainly problamatic
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 8:44am
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I could probably accept that
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DanielLB
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Oct 6 2012, 8:47am
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Just out of interest, was this
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 6 2012, 9:10am
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I'm sure is was a worry for PJ, yes.
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 9:15am
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Good question LR
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DanielLB
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Oct 6 2012, 10:08am
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I understand - and agree
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 6 2012, 10:30am
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Well, PJ engineers mini-climaxes near the end of FotR and TT
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 12:15pm
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Good point
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Fàfnir
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Oct 6 2012, 12:50pm
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Smaug's wrath on the mountainside...
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totoro
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Oct 6 2012, 6:10pm
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The Last Homely House storytime
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totoro
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Oct 6 2012, 6:14pm
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If you look at PJ's directing style
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 7:55pm
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I don't agree
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redgiraffe
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Oct 8 2012, 11:19am
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Well, if Smaug dies in film 2
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 9:14am
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Smaug dieing in film 2.
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Briza
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Oct 6 2012, 10:06am
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Dol Guldur and Smaug
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DanielLB
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Oct 6 2012, 10:11am
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You begin and end on the most important point
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 11:40am
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I agree, but I think they will leave Smaug´s death for film 3
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elostirion74
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Oct 5 2012, 7:28pm
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Of course, it is possible even Jackson don't when DOS will end. //
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 10:58pm
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The Two Towers ended with
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Plurmo
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Oct 6 2012, 1:31am
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This looks like a good way to do it...
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Eye's on Guard
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Oct 6 2012, 1:51am
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Yup
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 6 2012, 5:05am
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I know the story outline of DOS
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QuackingTroll
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Oct 6 2012, 9:15am
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