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redgiraffe
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Oct 8 2012, 10:18am
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I agree a Smaug-less Desolation would be pretty strange. IMO, a way to solve it would be a Smaug cameo in Film 2 (seeing a glimpse of him in the Mountain and perhaps hearing him speak), so the audience isn't completely befuddled as to why the Dragon is mentioned in the title. I also think they're really going to have to explain the the "Desolation of Smaug" is a location in this context, (probably being a barren Mordor-like area), and not a reference to the Dragon himself...a mere passing reference ALA "the union of the two towers" isn't going to cut it here, IMO. Also agreed that the structure for TH back when it was two films was much more cohesive and more preferable. Captainsalt, I like your idea a lot. As many have discussed before, desolation doesn't necessarily refer to where Smaug is. It can refer to the destruction he has already left. This would be great to show the destruction he left in laketown and the surrounding areas. But they NEED to explain this in the story. I am certainly fine with PJ cutting the films wherever he wants as long as he makes a well structured and coherent movie. I'm becoming more and more confident that the dwarves won't reach smaug til the 3rd film. And that's fine but there has to be some sort of climax for them in the 2nd film. I like your idea about fimbul and his wargs even though this strays from the book a little. Whatever the case, if the dwarves don't see smaug in the second film that's fine as long as there is some kind of climax for their storyline.
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My guess: Desolation of Smaug "where the action is"
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macfalk
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Oct 5 2012, 4:34pm
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And no so much action afterwards !
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 5:00pm
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The *spoilers*
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 5 2012, 5:08pm
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Yeah it's a big probability
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 5:23pm
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I don't think so
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 5 2012, 5:50pm
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The geo-political build-up
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DanielLB
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Oct 5 2012, 6:03pm
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but but but but but
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 5 2012, 6:10pm
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good point
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redgiraffe
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Oct 8 2012, 10:24am
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Not so much action?
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ryanw8
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Oct 5 2012, 5:11pm
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Smaug must be in film 2, his name is in the title
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 5:15pm
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Agreed DoS will have much more going on than AUJ...however, based on what we know, I'd see something more akin to this unfolding:
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Captain Salt
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Oct 5 2012, 5:07pm
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I really think you are loading a bit too much on "There and Back Again".
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 5 2012, 5:16pm
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I thought so as well until recently...
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Captain Salt
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Oct 5 2012, 5:26pm
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Not necessarily
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 5 2012, 10:57pm
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You know that LotR was structured on climaxes. I don't expect these to be different
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GoodGuyA
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Oct 6 2012, 4:15am
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I agree
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redgiraffe
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Oct 8 2012, 10:52am
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No Smaug in Desolation of Smaug ?
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 5:27pm
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Yes, it is a conundrum...
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Captain Salt
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Oct 5 2012, 5:33pm
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I like your plot development
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redgiraffe
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Oct 8 2012, 10:18am
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This looks pretty good to me!
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Buchanicus
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Oct 5 2012, 10:17pm
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It all comes down to the Dol Guldur subplot
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DanielLB
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Oct 5 2012, 5:33pm
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Agreed Barrels out of Bond would have been/could be a great climatic sequence. //
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Captain Salt
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Oct 5 2012, 5:42pm
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personally it seemed a little lame
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 5 2012, 6:06pm
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Agreed
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Eye's on Guard
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Oct 5 2012, 9:48pm
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Climax
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Ardamírë
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Oct 5 2012, 10:07pm
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What I think...
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Lost Hobbit
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Oct 5 2012, 10:17pm
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The only problem with the climax of DOS being the barrel escape is ...
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DanielLB
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Oct 5 2012, 6:12pm
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Correct, I don't expect it to be the end of Film 2...
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Captain Salt
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Oct 5 2012, 6:18pm
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Wait !
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 6:21pm
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As said above, I don't think anyone's suggesting an entire movie set in Mirkwood. //
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Captain Salt
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Oct 5 2012, 7:08pm
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Oh right, I hadn't read the title of your post. Sorry ! //
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 7:30pm
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We know PJ loves to Start with Big Bang!
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Bombadil
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Oct 5 2012, 5:48pm
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Dol Guldur
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redgiraffe
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Oct 8 2012, 10:21am
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Yes I agree
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burgahobbit
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Oct 5 2012, 6:45pm
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Personally
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redgiraffe
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Oct 8 2012, 10:29am
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I think that people will expect it
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burgahobbit
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Oct 8 2012, 7:02pm
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My bet : we meet Smaug in TDOS and he dies in film 3.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 5 2012, 7:01pm
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This is what I think as well.
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Carne
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Oct 5 2012, 10:41pm
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I so love the Idea of our Dwarves diving into
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Bombadil
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Oct 5 2012, 11:12pm
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me too Bombadil
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 5 2012, 11:22pm
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Thank you T&TA?
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Bombadil
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Oct 5 2012, 11:55pm
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I agree.
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 8:10am
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It works both ways though
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DanielLB
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Oct 6 2012, 8:17am
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There is lots to fit into DoS though
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 8:33am
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Oh, I agree about that
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DanielLB
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Oct 6 2012, 8:40am
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It's certainly problamatic
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 8:44am
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I could probably accept that
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DanielLB
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Oct 6 2012, 8:47am
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Just out of interest, was this
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 6 2012, 9:10am
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I'm sure is was a worry for PJ, yes.
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 9:15am
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Good question LR
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DanielLB
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Oct 6 2012, 10:08am
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I understand - and agree
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 6 2012, 10:30am
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Well, PJ engineers mini-climaxes near the end of FotR and TT
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 12:15pm
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Good point
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Fàfnir
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Oct 6 2012, 12:50pm
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Smaug's wrath on the mountainside...
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totoro
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Oct 6 2012, 6:10pm
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The Last Homely House storytime
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totoro
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Oct 6 2012, 6:14pm
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If you look at PJ's directing style
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 7:55pm
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I don't agree
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redgiraffe
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Oct 8 2012, 11:19am
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Well, if Smaug dies in film 2
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 9:14am
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Smaug dieing in film 2.
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Briza
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Oct 6 2012, 10:06am
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Dol Guldur and Smaug
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DanielLB
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Oct 6 2012, 10:11am
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You begin and end on the most important point
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Fardragon
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Oct 6 2012, 11:40am
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I agree, but I think they will leave Smaug´s death for film 3
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elostirion74
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Oct 5 2012, 7:28pm
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Of course, it is possible even Jackson don't when DOS will end. //
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 10:58pm
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The Two Towers ended with
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Plurmo
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Oct 6 2012, 1:31am
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This looks like a good way to do it...
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Eye's on Guard
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Oct 6 2012, 1:51am
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Yup
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 6 2012, 5:05am
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I know the story outline of DOS
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QuackingTroll
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Oct 6 2012, 9:15am
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