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Probably a question asked many times before but just who was the 'eldest' in Middle earth by the third age?


Oct 6 2012, 1:36pm

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Probably a question asked many times before but just who was the 'eldest' in Middle earth by the third age? Can't Post

I know Tom Bombadil seems to be a maia so would be the eldest, but there's also treebeard 'oldest who still walks beneath the sun'-according to gandalf- and gandalf knew of both of them.

Gandalf seemed never to journey to the east where the Avari and four of the houses of the dwarves dwelt, so is possible this quote only refers to the areas he knows?. Although I doubt any elves of the awakening were still around ( very unlikely but possibly Cirdan-although contradicting Treebeard) The Dwarven fathers initially awoke before even the elves, so technically wouldn't they be older? Wasn't Durin supossed to be reincaranted again in the Fourth Age, he's technically the same person so wouldn't his 'spirit' be the same as the one initially created?

Then there's the Balrog- he's a sentient being and weren't the first balrog's created before the elves? The balrog of Moria could easily be that old...

Random I know but I can't help but wonder...

What do you think? Has anyone ever explored this in detail?

Thre's several different answers given here:



As they came to the gates Cirdan the Shipwright came forth to greet them. Very tall he was, and his beard was long, and we was grey and old, save that his eyes were keen as stars; and he looked at them and bowed, and said All is now ready.

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Probably a question asked many times before but just who was the 'eldest' in Middle earth by the third age? malickfan Send a private message to malickfan Oct 6 2012, 1:36pm
    I think you have to narrow it down by race and class Eruonen Send a private message to Eruonen Oct 6 2012, 6:26pm
    i always get Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 7 2012, 10:12pm
        What about Sauron ? Ffnir Send a private message to Ffnir Oct 8 2012, 6:24pm
            Depending on how you interpret it Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Oct 9 2012, 3:01am
                Older than he... Stronghold Send a private message to Stronghold Oct 9 2012, 1:46pm
    Treebeard dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Oct 13 2012, 8:31am


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