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Black Breathalizer
Rohan
Oct 5 2012, 4:13pm
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In the Spirit of Tolkien....Or not.
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For the sake of this discussion, let us assume that the following concerns that sinister71 had with the trailer are, in fact, legitimate and reflect observations that some fans will actually have after seeing Film One: sinister71 wrote: 1. middle earth just seems brighter and more colorful and less "real" (very noticeably so IMO) 2..some of the dwarves, new creatures, and bad guys just look very cartoonish (again opinion) compared to the more realistic approach they took last time ... 4. and so far the overall tone from riddles in the dark the overall showing of the dwarves just seems too comical, is this a comedy or an action adventure fantasy film? Think about it, If JRR Tolkien had written The Hobbit after writing LOTR, wouldn't book fans have had the exact same criticisms about the Professor's story: ----Too bright and cheery ----Too unreal; more of a 'fairy tale' ----The dwarves seemed too comical ----Characters like the trolls and Gollum come off very cartoonish. Ironically, PJ and the film makers are in a no win situation. Try to be faithful to the spirit of the book and get blasted for "not being enough like LOTR" or present films more like LOTR in tone and plot from the beginning and be blasted for "not being true to the spirit of Tolkien." My expectation is that the film makers are going to make Film One more like the original children's tale; Film Two will be a transition film with the first part of the film continuing with the same tone through the spiders and then becoming increasingly 'adult fantasy' as the dwarves reach Laketown. Film Three will be in the grand, epic style of the LOTR. In this way, Jackson pays homage to Tolkien and helps bridge the great divide in the tone of the Professor's two great literary creations.
(This post was edited by Black Breathalizer on Oct 5 2012, 4:18pm)
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Those with concerns...
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Sinister71
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Oct 4 2012, 1:43pm
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personally
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elevorn
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Oct 4 2012, 2:16pm
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Well
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 4 2012, 2:24pm
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oops
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elevorn
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Oct 4 2012, 3:03pm
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But you are arguing for the elevation of CGI details
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 5 2012, 1:22am
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lighting
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elostirion74
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Oct 4 2012, 3:15pm
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Lighter tone (SPOILERS)
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comandantedavid
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Oct 4 2012, 2:46pm
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Yes, i fully believe that ....
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Dlanor da Great
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Oct 4 2012, 9:58pm
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One can only hope so//
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Sinister71
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Oct 4 2012, 10:01pm
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Ah but it is a basically negative and cynical thread
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 4 2012, 2:33pm
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Book v film.
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Fardragon
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Oct 4 2012, 2:45pm
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Tolkien did not complete the rewrite of the Hobbit because he realized that it would
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 4 2012, 4:02pm
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No, he didn't complete the rewrite
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Fardragon
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Oct 5 2012, 6:59am
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Tolkien made his own choice not to finish the rewrite of The Hobbit
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 5 2012, 1:32pm
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Largely comercial
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Fardragon
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Oct 5 2012, 3:15pm
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O.K., that poem gave me chills. Thanks Kangi!
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Ethel Duath
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Oct 5 2012, 10:02pm
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You are welcome.
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 5 2012, 11:23pm
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perspective
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Sinister71
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Oct 4 2012, 3:16pm
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I don't know about that... book SPOILER
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comandantedavid
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Oct 4 2012, 3:32pm
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Characterizations in Film 1
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Black Breathalizer
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Oct 4 2012, 3:41pm
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actually I have viewed everything
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Sinister71
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Oct 4 2012, 4:04pm
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Open minded?
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Black Breathalizer
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Oct 4 2012, 6:08pm
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That's true ! We can only judge the trailer in itself !
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Fàfnir
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Oct 4 2012, 6:56pm
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I fully agree with the need for openmindedness
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 4 2012, 11:07pm
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Heh Lacrimae
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tolktolk
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Oct 5 2012, 7:10am
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you speak wisdom.
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 4 2012, 4:37pm
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Dwarves don't realize what they are getting in to
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digibrink
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Oct 4 2012, 3:50pm
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a thousand times yes
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 4 2012, 7:35pm
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People with this viewpoint should read...
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DwellerInDale
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Oct 4 2012, 4:22pm
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Mods up.//
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Owain
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Oct 4 2012, 3:49pm
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I think that they WOULD have become such generational classics if they had kept the number of films
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 5 2012, 12:21am
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Just a note on The Wizard of Oz
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Sunflower
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Oct 5 2012, 9:25am
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Just a note on Bambi
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Elenorflower
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Oct 5 2012, 4:08pm
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A further note on Bambi:)
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Sunflower
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Oct 6 2012, 4:29am
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thanks Sunflower
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Elenorflower
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Oct 6 2012, 12:14pm
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Happy animal stories
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Sunflower
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Oct 7 2012, 6:01pm
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Wind in the Willows
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Elenorflower
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Oct 7 2012, 7:19pm
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William Horwood wrote a sequal
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Fardragon
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Oct 7 2012, 8:54pm
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WOT!
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Elenorflower
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Oct 7 2012, 10:34pm
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Booooorn Freeeee!
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Phibbus
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Oct 8 2012, 2:31am
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Black Beauty,
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Elenorflower
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Oct 8 2012, 2:49pm
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3D
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Marionette
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Oct 4 2012, 2:41pm
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If teh film ends up looking bad in 2D
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 4 2012, 2:43pm
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A thread that starts with
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DanielLB
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Oct 4 2012, 3:03pm
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I don't agree
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shadowdog
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Oct 4 2012, 3:04pm
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Hobbit vs LoTR
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elostirion74
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Oct 4 2012, 4:01pm
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I think PJ is in a no win situation
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Elenorflower
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Oct 4 2012, 4:27pm
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Lighter Tone and Such
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Beren0nehanded
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Oct 4 2012, 4:55pm
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I'm worried that this film is for the mainstream adience
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stoutfiles
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Oct 4 2012, 6:52pm
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beating a dead horse
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 4 2012, 7:32pm
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It feels like Star Wars all over...
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Oct 5 2012, 12:25am
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Too many parallels?
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Estel78
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Oct 5 2012, 1:37am
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not that I agree with everything he said
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Sinister71
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Oct 5 2012, 1:47am
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They did that in LOTR as well sometimes.
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Estel78
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Oct 5 2012, 1:53am
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okay..why not just relax and try Not of over-analyize
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Bombadil
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Oct 5 2012, 2:30am
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Because
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 5 2012, 4:38am
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But...
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flowww
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Oct 5 2012, 6:56am
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If you are stopped at the relative beardlessness of the dwarves
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 5 2012, 1:50pm
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I reckon
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Elenorflower
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Oct 5 2012, 3:50pm
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What do you mean ? Some people don't do it ? //
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 3:55pm
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"growling Khuzdul at folk in the street" :D This is off-topic, but
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Ethel Duath
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Oct 5 2012, 10:11pm
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Agreed with Bomby
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Ring-Bearer
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Oct 6 2012, 3:10am
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Nonsense
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Beutlin
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Oct 5 2012, 1:15pm
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This film
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Elenorflower
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Oct 5 2012, 12:13pm
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Mods up!
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Eleniel
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Oct 5 2012, 12:43pm
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atmosphere
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triptrap
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Oct 5 2012, 1:56pm
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In the Spirit of Tolkien....Or not.
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Black Breathalizer
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Oct 5 2012, 4:13pm
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Questions
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elostirion74
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Oct 5 2012, 6:50pm
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I loved
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Elenorflower
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Oct 5 2012, 8:11pm
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to be honest
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Sinister71
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Oct 6 2012, 12:40am
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ok
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elostirion74
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Oct 6 2012, 7:55am
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Oh I do enjoy a bit of research.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 6 2012, 9:46am
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Canon
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Black Breathalizer
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Oct 6 2012, 1:11pm
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well, that seems quite a stretch to me
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elostirion74
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Oct 6 2012, 2:34pm
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Canon
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Black Breathalizer
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Oct 6 2012, 2:54pm
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well
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elostirion74
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Oct 6 2012, 3:20pm
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canon
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Black Breathalizer
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Oct 6 2012, 3:39pm
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hmm
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elostirion74
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Oct 7 2012, 12:36am
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Barrow wights would be one example to consider to the contrary
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 7 2012, 12:58am
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You probably know this.
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Fardragon
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Oct 7 2012, 7:14am
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I'm not sure I would agree with that.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 7 2012, 10:41am
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So
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Fardragon
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Oct 7 2012, 11:52am
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*Scratches head*
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 7 2012, 12:15pm
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Not that clear-cut.
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Tim
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Oct 7 2012, 1:10pm
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Wight =/= Wright
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SirDennisC
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Oct 7 2012, 4:24pm
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canon
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Black Breathalizer
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Oct 7 2012, 5:02pm
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etymology
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Magpie
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Oct 7 2012, 5:43pm
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Barrow-wights
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elostirion74
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Oct 7 2012, 8:31pm
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I found this, I think its from the letters?
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Elenorflower
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Oct 6 2012, 6:56pm
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Not from Letters
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Oct 6 2012, 8:05pm
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as I said in my post, I found the quotes,
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Elenorflower
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Oct 6 2012, 9:56pm
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No problem -
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geordie
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Oct 7 2012, 9:10am
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yes sorry for any confusion
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Elenorflower
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Oct 7 2012, 2:59pm
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well
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elostirion74
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Oct 7 2012, 1:09am
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well since Tolkien was a linguist...
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Sinister71
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Oct 8 2012, 3:26pm
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I'm afraid that if you trouble to look beyond internet rubbish like this
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 8 2012, 6:42pm
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we can agree to disagree
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Sinister71
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Oct 8 2012, 7:08pm
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Again you fail to understand.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 8 2012, 7:30pm
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And you don't know Tolkien didn't mean Black magic / Sorcerer its all open to interpretation
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Sinister71
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Oct 8 2012, 8:31pm
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Absolutely correct.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 8 2012, 8:39pm
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the point is
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Sinister71
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Oct 8 2012, 8:55pm
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Good grief.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 8 2012, 9:07pm
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Reanimating the Dead
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Black Breathalizer
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Oct 9 2012, 12:23am
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Yeah I know
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Sinister71
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Oct 9 2012, 12:43am
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It seems that you have missed them.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 9 2012, 11:34am
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LOL
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Black Breathalizer
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Oct 10 2012, 12:59am
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You two can be so mean, lolol
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 10 2012, 3:47am
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That is a type of Necromancy and zombiedom, though. I don't mean to challange
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 9 2012, 4:47am
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It's zombies in particular which don't seem very Tolkien-ish
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Fardragon
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Oct 9 2012, 7:36am
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Yet, for all intents and purposes, I think that most people would still consider
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 9 2012, 11:59pm
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Looking at the evidence, I fail to see what the problem is
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Tim
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Oct 8 2012, 7:51pm
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Who would have thought
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 9 2012, 1:21am
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evidence
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elostirion74
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Oct 10 2012, 3:34pm
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Thank you
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Sinister71
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Oct 10 2012, 4:51pm
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Why not call it an Orc-wight
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 10 2012, 9:04pm
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well...
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Sinister71
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Oct 10 2012, 9:20pm
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I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 10 2012, 9:27pm
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Orcs or as they were referred to in the Hobbit Goblins
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Sinister71
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Oct 10 2012, 9:32pm
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Have you read Morgoth's Ring?
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 10 2012, 9:38pm
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were talking common place orcs and Goblins here
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Sinister71
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Oct 10 2012, 9:46pm
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I don't follow.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 10 2012, 9:54pm
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where in the hobbit or the appendices did he mention them?
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Sinister71
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Oct 10 2012, 10:09pm
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I can't quite believe that you cannot follow the thread of the argument.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 10 2012, 10:22pm
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no I follow
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Sinister71
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Oct 10 2012, 10:26pm
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No it is not pertaining to the films. If you go back and re-read you will see that.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 10 2012, 10:36pm
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well since I brought this thread up about concerns about the films
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Sinister71
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Oct 10 2012, 11:03pm
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Yes the discussion about the possibility
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 10 2012, 11:27pm
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Filling in the blanks
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Black Breathalizer
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Oct 12 2012, 2:06am
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I hate to keep giving fodder to non-cannon liberties. I REALLY do! Yet I think
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 11 2012, 8:59pm
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Well, much as I dislike some of the changes, if Bolg is going to challenge Gandalf, I damn sure hope he is presented as a demon orc
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 11 2012, 8:53pm
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hmmm
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elostirion74
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Oct 11 2012, 3:36pm
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I tend to agree
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 11 2012, 5:59pm
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long answer
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elostirion74
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Oct 12 2012, 3:59pm
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Well it rather depends on what you find interesting but
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 12 2012, 4:56pm
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Now this is a good argument,
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 11 2012, 8:21pm
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