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Those who are called

justbennett
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Oct 4 2012, 8:21pm


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To needlessly extend this discussion...

The Silmarilion describes a calling that starts out as a simple invitation to Valinor and seems to become an inherit spiritual yearning of all Elves to continue the journey that was begun by their people in the First Age. So for Legolas, this trip is understandable. With dwarves and hobbits it gets a little more tricky. What's their fate? That seems to be up for grabs. There is a mention that dwarves believe that upon death their spirits go to the same hall of Mandos as the elves. Then they are possibly reincarnated in their descendants. This suggests that even after dying the dwarves remain in Arda. So perhaps Valinor is not off limits for them. For men, at least, it is clear that they cannot come to the undying lands. They are mortal and upon death leave the realm of Arda.

So the way I see it, Arwen, as a descendant of Elrond, was blessed with the option to choose her fate. Her inability to go was due to the fact that she had rejected the calling of the elves and accepted the fate of men.

Sorry if I get some terms/names wrong. I'm new at this.

Subject User Time
Arwen Evenstar couldn't cross the sea, but Legolas and Gimli could? smoothbutta Send a private message to smoothbutta Sep 29 2012, 5:39pm
    Arwen, Gimli and Valinor DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 29 2012, 5:54pm
        We don't know that Legolas and Gimli got there, just that they sailed. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Sep 29 2012, 7:15pm
            Thanks Elizabeth. :-) Let's imagine she changed her mind ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Sep 29 2012, 7:48pm
                From all the indications, the choice was irrevocable. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Sep 29 2012, 11:02pm
            I think it's strongly implied that Gimli reached Valinor. CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Oct 11 2012, 4:51pm
    Those who are called justbennett Send a private message to justbennett Oct 4 2012, 8:21pm
        A nice synopsis. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Oct 5 2012, 7:11am
        returning Dwarrows Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Oct 5 2012, 12:42pm

 
 
 

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