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Lighter Tone and Such

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Oct 4 2012, 4:55pm


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In regards to the idea that PJ is making TH too light and cartoon-ish, I shared your concern, especially after the latest trailer relase, BUT, I had a very enlightening conversation with my younger brother that changed my usually stubborn mind.

TH was originally meant for children! As a children's book it must have a lighter tone compared to the epic that is the LotR. While its understandable that this isn't easy to come to grips with because both stories take place in Middle-Earth, the books, and seemingly the movies too, have slightly different broad target audiences!

I now compare this theory to the three old and new Star Wars trilogies to explain why so many people hate the newer trilogy. The older trilogy was meant for young adults/adults IMO and when that generation got older and saw the new trilogy (which was probably meant mostly for young adults/children hence jar-jar binks) they were outraged! How could a trilogy that takes place in the same universe as the older triology feel so different! Because of different target audiences!

I hope people at least take this into consideration when watching TH Smile

Don't be hasty.

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Those with concerns... Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 4 2012, 1:43pm
    personally elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Oct 4 2012, 2:16pm
        Well Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Oct 4 2012, 2:24pm
            oops elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Oct 4 2012, 3:03pm
                But you are arguing for the elevation of CGI details Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Oct 5 2012, 1:22am
            lighting elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Oct 4 2012, 3:15pm
        Lighter tone (SPOILERS) comandantedavid Send a private message to comandantedavid Oct 4 2012, 2:46pm
            Yes, i fully believe that .... Dlanor da Great Send a private message to Dlanor da Great Oct 4 2012, 9:58pm
                One can only hope so// Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 4 2012, 10:01pm
    Ah but it is a basically negative and cynical thread Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Oct 4 2012, 2:33pm
        Book v film. Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Oct 4 2012, 2:45pm
            Tolkien did not complete the rewrite of the Hobbit because he realized that it would Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Oct 4 2012, 4:02pm
                No, he didn't complete the rewrite Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Oct 5 2012, 6:59am
                    Tolkien made his own choice not to finish the rewrite of The Hobbit Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Oct 5 2012, 1:32pm
                        Largely comercial Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Oct 5 2012, 3:15pm
                O.K., that poem gave me chills. Thanks Kangi! Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Oct 5 2012, 10:02pm
                    You are welcome. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Oct 5 2012, 11:23pm
        perspective Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 4 2012, 3:16pm
            I don't know about that... book SPOILER comandantedavid Send a private message to comandantedavid Oct 4 2012, 3:32pm
            Characterizations in Film 1 Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Oct 4 2012, 3:41pm
                actually I have viewed everything Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 4 2012, 4:04pm
                    Open minded? Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Oct 4 2012, 6:08pm
                        That's true ! We can only judge the trailer in itself ! Ffnir Send a private message to Ffnir Oct 4 2012, 6:56pm
                    I fully agree with the need for openmindedness Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 4 2012, 11:07pm
                        Heh Lacrimae tolktolk Send a private message to tolktolk Oct 5 2012, 7:10am
                you speak wisdom. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Oct 4 2012, 4:37pm
            Dwarves don't realize what they are getting in to digibrink Send a private message to digibrink Oct 4 2012, 3:50pm
                a thousand times yes There&ThereAgain Send a private message to There&ThereAgain Oct 4 2012, 7:35pm
            People with this viewpoint should read... DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Oct 4 2012, 4:22pm
        Mods up.// Owain Send a private message to Owain Oct 4 2012, 3:49pm
        I think that they WOULD have become such generational classics if they had kept the number of films AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 5 2012, 12:21am
            Just a note on The Wizard of Oz Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Oct 5 2012, 9:25am
                Just a note on Bambi Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 5 2012, 4:08pm
                    A further note on Bambi:) Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Oct 6 2012, 4:29am
                        thanks Sunflower Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 6 2012, 12:14pm
                            Happy animal stories Sunflower Send a private message to Sunflower Oct 7 2012, 6:01pm
                                Wind in the Willows Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 7 2012, 7:19pm
                                    William Horwood wrote a sequal Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Oct 7 2012, 8:54pm
                                        WOT! Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 7 2012, 10:34pm
                                Booooorn Freeeee! Phibbus Send a private message to Phibbus Oct 8 2012, 2:31am
                                    Black Beauty, Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 8 2012, 2:49pm
    3D Marionette Send a private message to Marionette Oct 4 2012, 2:41pm
        If teh film ends up looking bad in 2D Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Oct 4 2012, 2:43pm
    A thread that starts with DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Oct 4 2012, 3:03pm
    I don't agree shadowdog Send a private message to shadowdog Oct 4 2012, 3:04pm
    Hobbit vs LoTR elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Oct 4 2012, 4:01pm
    I think PJ is in a no win situation Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 4 2012, 4:27pm
    Lighter Tone and Such Beren0nehanded Send a private message to Beren0nehanded Oct 4 2012, 4:55pm
    I'm worried that this film is for the mainstream adience stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Oct 4 2012, 6:52pm
    beating a dead horse There&ThereAgain Send a private message to There&ThereAgain Oct 4 2012, 7:32pm
    It feels like Star Wars all over... Avnar Send a private message to Avnar Oct 5 2012, 12:25am
        Too many parallels? Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Oct 5 2012, 1:37am
            not that I agree with everything he said Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 5 2012, 1:47am
                They did that in LOTR as well sometimes. Estel78 Send a private message to Estel78 Oct 5 2012, 1:53am
                    okay..why not just relax and try Not of over-analyize Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Oct 5 2012, 2:30am
                        Because Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Oct 5 2012, 4:38am
                        But... flowww Send a private message to flowww Oct 5 2012, 6:56am
                            If you are stopped at the relative beardlessness of the dwarves Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Oct 5 2012, 1:50pm
                                I reckon Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 5 2012, 3:50pm
                                    What do you mean ? Some people don't do it ? // Ffnir Send a private message to Ffnir Oct 5 2012, 3:55pm
                                    "growling Khuzdul at folk in the street" :D This is off-topic, but Ethel Duath Send a private message to Ethel Duath Oct 5 2012, 10:11pm
                        Agreed with Bomby Ring-Bearer Send a private message to Ring-Bearer Oct 6 2012, 3:10am
        Nonsense Beutlin Send a private message to Beutlin Oct 5 2012, 1:15pm
    This film Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 5 2012, 12:13pm
        Mods up! Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Oct 5 2012, 12:43pm
    atmosphere triptrap Send a private message to triptrap Oct 5 2012, 1:56pm
    In the Spirit of Tolkien....Or not. Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Oct 5 2012, 4:13pm
    Questions elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Oct 5 2012, 6:50pm
        I loved Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 5 2012, 8:11pm
        to be honest Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 6 2012, 12:40am
            ok elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Oct 6 2012, 7:55am
            Oh I do enjoy a bit of research. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 6 2012, 9:46am
            Canon Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Oct 6 2012, 1:11pm
                well, that seems quite a stretch to me elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Oct 6 2012, 2:34pm
                    Canon Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Oct 6 2012, 2:54pm
                        well elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Oct 6 2012, 3:20pm
                            canon Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Oct 6 2012, 3:39pm
                                hmm elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Oct 7 2012, 12:36am
                                    Barrow wights would be one example to consider to the contrary Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 7 2012, 12:58am
                                        You probably know this. Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Oct 7 2012, 7:14am
                                            I'm not sure I would agree with that. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 7 2012, 10:41am
                                                So Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Oct 7 2012, 11:52am
                                                    *Scratches head* Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 7 2012, 12:15pm
                                                    Not that clear-cut. Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 7 2012, 1:10pm
                                                    Wight =/= Wright SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Oct 7 2012, 4:24pm
                                                        canon Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Oct 7 2012, 5:02pm
                                                        etymology Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Oct 7 2012, 5:43pm
                                                Barrow-wights elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Oct 7 2012, 8:31pm
                    I found this, I think its from the letters? Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 6 2012, 6:56pm
                        Not from Letters Voronw_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronw_the_Faithful Oct 6 2012, 8:05pm
                            as I said in my post, I found the quotes, Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 6 2012, 9:56pm
                                No problem - geordie Send a private message to geordie Oct 7 2012, 9:10am
                                    yes sorry for any confusion Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 7 2012, 2:59pm
                        well elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Oct 7 2012, 1:09am
                well since Tolkien was a linguist... Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 8 2012, 3:26pm
                    I'm afraid that if you trouble to look beyond internet rubbish like this Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 8 2012, 6:42pm
                        we can agree to disagree Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 8 2012, 7:08pm
                            Again you fail to understand. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 8 2012, 7:30pm
                                And you don't know Tolkien didn't mean Black magic / Sorcerer its all open to interpretation Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 8 2012, 8:31pm
                                    Absolutely correct. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 8 2012, 8:39pm
                                        the point is Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 8 2012, 8:55pm
                                            Good grief. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 8 2012, 9:07pm
                                                Reanimating the Dead Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Oct 9 2012, 12:23am
                                                    Yeah I know Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 9 2012, 12:43am
                                                        It seems that you have missed them. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 9 2012, 11:34am
                                                            LOL Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Oct 10 2012, 12:59am
                                                                You two can be so mean, lolol AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 10 2012, 3:47am
                                            That is a type of Necromancy and zombiedom, though. I don't mean to challange AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 9 2012, 4:47am
                                                It's zombies in particular which don't seem very Tolkien-ish Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Oct 9 2012, 7:36am
                                                    Yet, for all intents and purposes, I think that most people would still consider AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 9 2012, 11:59pm
                            Looking at the evidence, I fail to see what the problem is Tim Send a private message to Tim Oct 8 2012, 7:51pm
                                Who would have thought Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Oct 9 2012, 1:21am
                                evidence elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Oct 10 2012, 3:34pm
                                    Thank you Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 10 2012, 4:51pm
                                    Why not call it an Orc-wight Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 10 2012, 9:04pm
                                        well... Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 10 2012, 9:20pm
                                            I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 10 2012, 9:27pm
                                                Orcs or as they were referred to in the Hobbit Goblins Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 10 2012, 9:32pm
                                                    Have you read Morgoth's Ring? Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 10 2012, 9:38pm
                                                        were talking common place orcs and Goblins here Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 10 2012, 9:46pm
                                                            I don't follow. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 10 2012, 9:54pm
                                                                where in the hobbit or the appendices did he mention them? Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 10 2012, 10:09pm
                                                                    I can't quite believe that you cannot follow the thread of the argument. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 10 2012, 10:22pm
                                                                        no I follow Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 10 2012, 10:26pm
                                                                            No it is not pertaining to the films. If you go back and re-read you will see that. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 10 2012, 10:36pm
                                                                                well since I brought this thread up about concerns about the films Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Oct 10 2012, 11:03pm
                                                                                    Yes the discussion about the possibility Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 10 2012, 11:27pm
                                                                                    Filling in the blanks Black Breathalizer Send a private message to Black Breathalizer Oct 12 2012, 2:06am
                                                                    I hate to keep giving fodder to non-cannon liberties. I REALLY do! Yet I think AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 11 2012, 8:59pm
                                                            Well, much as I dislike some of the changes, if Bolg is going to challenge Gandalf, I damn sure hope he is presented as a demon orc AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 11 2012, 8:53pm
                                        hmmm elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Oct 11 2012, 3:36pm
                                            I tend to agree Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 11 2012, 5:59pm
                                                long answer elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Oct 12 2012, 3:59pm
                                                    Well it rather depends on what you find interesting but Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Oct 12 2012, 4:56pm
                                    Now this is a good argument, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Oct 11 2012, 8:21pm

 
 
 

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