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Scott was so popular

FarFromHome
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Oct 3 2012, 8:53pm


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in his own day that I'm sure his influence must have been felt by Tolkien, even if Tolkien never thought enough about it to mention it. I don't think Tolkien mentioned Kipling either, but if you read something like Puck of Pook's Hill you can see that Kipling and Tolkien drew from many of the same sources, and I think the same can be said for Scott and Tolkien.

Whether Tolkien got it direct from Scott or whether they got it from a common source, there is one thing that links them in my mind - the Mirrormere. In Scott's poem The Bridal of Triermain, he tells of
"...that sable tarn,
In whose black mirror you may spy
The stars, while noontide lights the sky."
Scott's poem draws on legends of King Arthur, while Tolkien usually said that he didn't draw his inspiration from Arthurian legend. Yet as that very interesting article posted by Elenorflower shows, Tolkien seems to have been influenced by Arthurian "tropes", even if he didn't take them as conscious inspiration. Heck, the story of the Return of the King, of Aragorn as the new Elendil, is pretty much the legend of Once and Future King right there!

They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled,
the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings


Subject User Time
Ivanhoe and Tolkien? weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 2 2012, 5:13pm
    ivanhoe and Tolkien Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 2 2012, 9:47pm
        thank you for that link! weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 10 2012, 2:29am
    Interesting... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Oct 2 2012, 10:07pm
        Scott wrote "historical novels", not fantasy. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Oct 3 2012, 1:16am
            I'm halfway through the book right now... weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 10 2012, 2:39am
        Agreed... weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 10 2012, 2:36am
    Scott was so popular FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Oct 3 2012, 8:53pm
        that makes sense... weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 10 2012, 2:49am
            I found reference to this interesting exhibition book Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 10 2012, 11:46am
                thanks again! weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 11 2012, 3:09am

 
 
 

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