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AinurOlorin
Half-elven
Oct 2 2012, 11:40pm
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Well that just isn't the story or the Mythos. That is like saying, " I hate that Superman is so strong"
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or, "I hate that Dumbledore is at least as talented a wizard as Voldemort." Or, "I wish Godzilla was a more reasonable size. Say 30 feet instead of 300." Gandalf is very powerful, and I would argue that the Gandalf The Gray of The Hobbit is shown to be just as powerful, in most respects, as the Gandalf The Gray in FOTR. As to the Divine stuff.. . He is what He is. That is part of his story. He is Holy. A Holy spirit, taking thought for creatures of flesh, and taking on the burdens of this world out of love and compassion. It adds a deeply spiritual component to the entire tale. You may not like it, but you might just as well not like the fact that Galadriel is a poweful Elf Queen, or that the Balrog is an ancient demon rather than just a random monster. I cannot sign on for misrepresenting a MAJOR character, because some readers didn't like the nature of said character. I would also be disgusted if the deeper and fundemental legendarium of the tales were violated for a cheap "ooooooh, is that ugly orc gonna get Gandalf?" moment in a filmed adaptation. I said that Gandalf is SuperImmortalMegaGandalf! (In LOTR). Joke aside, but he's just way too powerful to my taste - another pet peeve of mine when it comes to LOTR. This character of Gandalf, who dies and can be resurrected at will. No sense of danger or threat, as with Gandalf, the main players are basically safe. In The Hobbit, we get the sense that Gandalf is a kind of powerful wizard who can do wonderful things, but that's kind of it - no divine Valar intervention or mentions of that he's a sort of immortal demi-god. I love that. It makes the journey the company in TH goes through much more realistic and threatening and humane and we can relate to it. When Gandalf faces the Witch-King in LOTR, we know he won't lose, and if he would, it would not have been such a big deal. He'd probably been "sent back to complete his task a second time " As you can see, I'm not a big fan of how Tolkien made him this demi-god creature in LOTR. In TH he's just a wizard. That's also one of the reasons I was never bothered with the scene in ROTK-EE where the Witch-King takes down Gandalf and smashes his staff to pieces. I liked that. It gave us the sense that anything could happen, unlike the books, even to our dear Mithrandir. As always, IMO. "Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!" "Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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The notion of Bolg chasing Gandalf or matching the power of The Wizard. . . What? come on now! Be serious.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 2 2012, 1:06am
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My take
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Phibbus
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Oct 2 2012, 1:22am
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I think that's what is happening
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 2 2012, 1:34am
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Great Goblin and Boldogs
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redgiraffe
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Oct 2 2012, 2:24am
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You may be right.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 2 2012, 1:48am
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maybe I'm in the minority here but...
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Sinister71
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Oct 2 2012, 1:56am
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wow
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grinman
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Oct 2 2012, 2:11am
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I totally agree, EXCEPT, if Peter is determined to make Bolg a threat to Gandalf.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 2 2012, 2:11am
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How do we know
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Aitieuriskon
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Oct 2 2012, 10:48am
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There we go
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Carne
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Oct 2 2012, 11:56am
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You see for me
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Fardragon
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Oct 2 2012, 1:42pm
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You said blast apart, not me. But, unless the Tolkien you read had missing pages,
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 3 2012, 2:27am
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But is the being he fears Gandalf, or Beorn. It is an important question.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 3 2012, 12:20am
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Gandalf and Bolg will meet,
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Fàfnir
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Oct 3 2012, 5:48pm
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I can totally see Azog desecrating the corpse
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The Preciousss
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Oct 2 2012, 4:35pm
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Beorn?
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 2 2012, 7:38pm
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Agreed
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Aitieuriskon
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Oct 2 2012, 10:58pm
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sinister71
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Lusitano
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Oct 2 2012, 2:27pm
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Here's the definition of "Necromancy"
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Carne
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Oct 2 2012, 2:34pm
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I'm glad he SA posted the link
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Phibbus
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Oct 2 2012, 2:02am
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I agree with you as well
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burgahobbit
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Oct 2 2012, 2:03am
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Gandalf is powerful...
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grinman
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Oct 2 2012, 2:07am
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I take your point about it taking time for Gandalf to muster strong spells, however that overlooks what first happened with the goblins.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 2 2012, 3:49am
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I agree
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dubulous
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Oct 2 2012, 5:05am
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whoa whoa whoa whoa
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redgiraffe
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Oct 2 2012, 2:15am
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that's just it..
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grinman
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Oct 2 2012, 2:17am
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okay i see
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redgiraffe
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Oct 2 2012, 2:20am
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3 pages back
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grinman
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Oct 2 2012, 2:23am
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It isn't just the toy. Something is chasing a rather concerned Gandalf through the corridors of Dol Guldur
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 2 2012, 3:54am
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Know what you mean
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DarkJackal
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Oct 2 2012, 3:28am
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I think you're over reacting a little.
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Istaris'staffs
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Oct 2 2012, 3:33am
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Even in the movies, where his powers seem at times sadly diminished from what the novels describe,
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 2 2012, 3:52am
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I'm at a bit of a loss
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Altaira
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Oct 2 2012, 4:57am
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I find it vastly amusing
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Oct 2 2012, 5:13am
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Agreed
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 2 2012, 5:39am
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hehe
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redgiraffe
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Oct 2 2012, 5:52am
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I also didnt find Ainur
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Elenorflower
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Oct 2 2012, 7:58am
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Call me sensitive
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Altaira
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Oct 2 2012, 3:10pm
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Agreed
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 2 2012, 4:28pm
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Deep breaths needed?
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Elessar
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Oct 2 2012, 4:35pm
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If Ainur wants to come here and
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Elenorflower
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Oct 2 2012, 6:45pm
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Rules
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Elessar
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Oct 2 2012, 6:51pm
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I'm so late to this party
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 2 2012, 7:37pm
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Of course
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Altaira
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Oct 2 2012, 7:55pm
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Thanks, my good Elf lady. And to Voronwe, glad you enjoyed,
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 2 2012, 11:59pm
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It is very faint
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Aitieuriskon
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Oct 3 2012, 12:24am
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I'm not
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Altaira
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Oct 2 2012, 2:52pm
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The Earth would continue to orbit even if Smaug were portrayed as a 200 foot tall kitten
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 2 2012, 11:51pm
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LOL
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Oct 2 2012, 11:53pm
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You're in luck
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 3 2012, 12:21am
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The timing is rather suspect...
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SirDennisC
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Oct 2 2012, 11:56pm
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It isn't the merchandising alone. Its a series of things that, put together, could be an issue.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 2 2012, 11:29pm
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He is not that powerful in The Hobbit.
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macfalk
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Oct 2 2012, 6:21am
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Ainur is not saying
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 2 2012, 7:01am
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I wasn't saying that Ainur said it
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macfalk
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Oct 2 2012, 7:14am
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Well that just isn't the story or the Mythos. That is like saying, " I hate that Superman is so strong"
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 2 2012, 11:40pm
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Bolg is not "an orc"
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Fardragon
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Oct 2 2012, 8:17am
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I beg to
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Elenorflower
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Oct 2 2012, 8:18am
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And if it's of any comfort
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Fàfnir
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Oct 2 2012, 4:41pm
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That would be a real stretch.
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 2 2012, 10:15pm
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Not sure if it's just me
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 2 2012, 11:25pm
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There is some merit to that notion Kangi. The Legendarium does
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 2 2012, 11:54pm
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seems like a bad deal to me
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 3 2012, 12:13am
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Well, the Balrogs and Wizards (even in the Wizard's limited forms) are Maia of greater
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 3 2012, 12:16am
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I really want a citation on this idea of Maia Orcs.//
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 3 2012, 12:21am
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It's in Morgoth's Ring
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 3 2012, 12:32am
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Ok I actually found that before you cited it. But this leads to the question
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 3 2012, 12:39am
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It does seem like it, doesn't it?
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Aitieuriskon
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Oct 3 2012, 12:42am
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Verrryyy interesting...
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Tim
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Oct 3 2012, 1:16am
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Spent too much time on Bilbo's contract
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SirDennisC
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Oct 3 2012, 2:24am
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Mmmm. That must be why when The Balrog showed up, Gandalf told the ENTIRE fellowhship
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 3 2012, 12:57am
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Tolkien deals with spiritual conflict differently to physical
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Fardragon
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Oct 3 2012, 7:45am
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Hmm?
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geordie
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Oct 3 2012, 12:26pm
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And Boromir's strength that forced the door closed
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Fardragon
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Oct 3 2012, 1:37pm
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It seems that you have a personal theory regarding power & spirituality
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 3 2012, 2:40pm
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I'm suprised it needs to be explained on a fan site
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Fardragon
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Oct 3 2012, 2:52pm
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Interesting theory...//
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 3 2012, 2:54pm
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From where are you drawing this idea of spiritual presence?//
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 3 2012, 12:27pm
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I don't really agree with this
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Tim
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Oct 3 2012, 4:43pm
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Well said, Tim.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 3 2012, 7:45pm
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Thanks
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Tim
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Oct 4 2012, 5:37am
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Good company : - )
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 4 2012, 8:30am
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At least as effective against. . . What is your evidence? I think your approach is more D&D
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 3 2012, 7:18pm
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Not to seem mulish -
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geordie
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Oct 3 2012, 8:44pm
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In the movie, Geordie. Fandragon was speaking of the movie killing of Trolls,
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 3 2012, 9:18pm
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I can see no reason to worry about this stuff
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triptrap
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Oct 2 2012, 11:36am
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Who says Bolg will give him any trouble at all?
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dave_lf
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Oct 2 2012, 12:22pm
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And he will know fear...
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Fàfnir
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Oct 2 2012, 4:39pm
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Movie Gandalf isn't that powerful
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stoutfiles
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Oct 2 2012, 12:29pm
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In tolkien, no fight is won in advance
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Fàfnir
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Oct 2 2012, 4:48pm
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Bilbo was meant to find the ring . . .
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Beren0nehanded
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Oct 3 2012, 4:25pm
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There have been arguments about free will versus fate for ages.
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 3 2012, 4:46pm
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Yeah, I could have been clearer ^^
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Fàfnir
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Oct 3 2012, 6:42pm
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I agree with you IN PART, but with lots of caveats
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 3 2012, 7:44pm
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Oddly the LOTR films have established a sort of consistency.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 3 2012, 8:04pm
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There is some kind of explanation i think
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Fàfnir
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Oct 3 2012, 8:22pm
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Spirit trumps flesh.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 3 2012, 8:30pm
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Not if the trailer is any indication. If you look at the Troll scene,
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 3 2012, 8:22pm
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I think
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 3 2012, 8:30pm
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