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Ivanhoe and Tolkien?


Oct 2 2012, 5:13pm

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I found a copy of Ivanhoe at a library book sale awhile back and finally decided to read it. Which made me wonder about whether or not Ivanhoe was ever considered to be an influence on Tolkien.

I could not find an entry under "I" in my Tolkien Encyclopedia, alas, but I did find some references on a website. Here's an excerpt:

"As far as I can discern with the help of my assistant, Google, this isnít a comparison that many have made, though the connection is so obvious to me that Sir Walterís influence on The Lord of the Rings is just begging to be explored. In some ways, Ivanhoe is a stronger reminder of Tolkien than any post-Tolkien high fantasy Iíve ever touchedówhich, Iíll grant, isnít much; I adore Tolkien, but have very little patience for his legion of imitators. It reads like a distillation of all the elements of The Lord of the Rings that people forget to copy: the centrality of language to the characterization of individuals as well as society; the genuine, folkloric Englishness that drips from every line of dialogue, whether it is the rustic speech of a servant or the decorative rhetoric of a nobleman; the periodic digression into verse and song, usually with the complicity of a pint of ale.

For more, here's the link to the site: http://www.nicholastam.ca/...y-book-club-ivanhoe/

Any comments on the Tolkien comments? Or other insights/comments on Ivanhoe and Tolkien?

I'm only into the very early part of the story now, but so far it reads more like The Once and Future King than LOTR to me...


Subject User Time
Ivanhoe and Tolkien? weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 2 2012, 5:13pm
    ivanhoe and Tolkien Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 2 2012, 9:47pm
        thank you for that link! weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 10 2012, 2:29am
    Interesting... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Oct 2 2012, 10:07pm
        Scott wrote "historical novels", not fantasy. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Oct 3 2012, 1:16am
            I'm halfway through the book right now... weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 10 2012, 2:39am
        Agreed... weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 10 2012, 2:36am
    Scott was so popular FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Oct 3 2012, 8:53pm
        that makes sense... weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 10 2012, 2:49am
            I found reference to this interesting exhibition book Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Oct 10 2012, 11:46am
                thanks again! weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 11 2012, 3:09am


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