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Meat's back on the menu boys...

dungolfin
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Oct 2 2012, 11:43am


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1. Probably the biggest concern about the orcs in Two Towers was how they evolve from faceless creatures to a full fledged society. Do you find their transition disconcerting, given how they were represented in Fellowship? Is this a convincing society, or is it over-brutalized?

I think that even in FOTR it was clear that orc society had structure and organisation. It was obvious from the sequences at Isengard that there are smiths and engineers as well as the fighting caste of Uruks. There's even middle management orcs that report progress to Saruman. The fact that Jackson unfortunately chose to show the Uruks being spawned probably confused things a bit. As for being over-brutalised, no I don't think it's beyond the realms of imagination to see a society, however loosely held together, that brutalises its population - any number of failed African states can testify to that.

2. As an addition to the prior question, the humans never seem to hear the orcs speak. Does this give the impression that only Hobbits can understand the creatures? Was this deliberate?

Well there's certainly more close contact between hobbit and orc in the films. There were opportunities from the book for Jackson to have human - orc dialogue but he didn't go for that. One passage that springs to mind is Aragorn addressing the troops of Saruman at Helms Deep, a nice bit of subtle character development for both sides, but instead he goes for the olympic torch bearer. Certainly Gimli has a brief discussion with an orc after the warg attack scene. I'd suggest that rather than not understanding each other, Jackson didn't see the need to have humans talking to orcs - perhaps given the dialogue they did choose to write we've got the lesser of two evils.

3. Look at the orcs around the ones in focus. How are orcs represented as a race and do you think the different breeds of orc here help establish a wide range of visual features that determine an orc or Uruk-hai? Does this assist their appearance in Return of the King?

I think the design of the orcs was fantastic. Slight variations in racial characteristics suggesting different roles and geography - brilliant.

4. I chose shots somewhat at movement so that we may observe the versatility of the make-up at work here. Does it look convincing? What are the orcish visual traits here and what would you do to improve them and bring them closer to your imagination?

These will do for me although I wasn't as keen on the design of the Uruks but on the whole fairly good.

5. Any additional thoughts about the orc episode is encouraged!

I always thought of the orcs as being portrayed through the eyes of the victor. Like the Romans or Bards did with their descriptions of defeated tribes, exaggerating their enemies cruelty, numbers, prowess or appearance to make their victories appear greater. So the orcs are almost caricatures from descriptions that might have been second, third or even fourth hand.

Bonus Question: Which orc here is voiced by Andy Serkis?

Subject User Time
SCOD: All Manners of Orc GoodGuyA Send a private message to GoodGuyA Sep 26 2012, 10:08pm
    Let's see... Elutherian Send a private message to Elutherian Sep 27 2012, 5:01am
        You're the only one who guessed on the bonus question GoodGuyA Send a private message to GoodGuyA Sep 29 2012, 3:53am
            Interesting Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Oct 1 2012, 5:04pm
    Love the blues in these scenes {NT} Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 27 2012, 5:59am
    The Hobbit contamination titanium_hobbit Send a private message to titanium_hobbit Sep 28 2012, 3:46am
    Interesting choice zarabia Send a private message to zarabia Sep 28 2012, 6:00am
        You crack me up, zarabia Shelob'sAppetite Send a private message to Shelob'sAppetite Sep 28 2012, 4:40pm
            "Meat izz Back on the Menu ...Boys" Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil Sep 28 2012, 7:06pm
            Thanks, SA :D // zarabia Send a private message to zarabia Sep 29 2012, 1:21am
        "Find the Halfling!" Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Sep 28 2012, 9:54pm
            I found that line horrifying too Ziggy Stardust Send a private message to Ziggy Stardust Sep 29 2012, 12:55am
                I understand your point zarabia Send a private message to zarabia Sep 29 2012, 1:43am
                I have somewhat the opposite view Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Sep 30 2012, 3:00pm
            Yes, the Ringwraiths! zarabia Send a private message to zarabia Sep 29 2012, 1:32am
                I don't agree GothmogTheBalrog Send a private message to GothmogTheBalrog Sep 30 2012, 7:54pm
    I definately saw Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Sep 28 2012, 9:40pm
    Belated post ;) Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Oct 1 2012, 11:18am
    Meat's back on the menu boys... dungolfin Send a private message to dungolfin Oct 2 2012, 11:43am

 
 
 

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